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borderterrier



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K9F wrote:
This for some is obviously an 'emotive issue' and for others an ideal opportunity to climb upon their soapbox to do some 'muck raking' and 'bear-poking' all of which appears at the moment to be rumour, conjecture and supposition. Why not just wait and see what finer details appear perhaps?


It's only emotive for those who provide the kit and capability to remove said items, or for those owners with vehicles lacking said items either with or without their knowledge.

Soap box is out on loan, so I stand without one. As I see it there is no rumour or conjecture, just fact. Remove your cat or DPF and you are running the risk of failing your MOT (assuming the tester plays it with a straight bat). If you are prepared to take that risk then crack on. If companies are happy to sell the products or provide the service which does this, hiding behind a wooly disclaimer line in their ads saying 'for off road or competition use only' then they should be held to account.
Still no answer from any of the 'tuners' regarding emissions post tune being the right side of the law.
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How do you know if you have one?

Can you go by the year of manufacture ...


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K9F



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borderterrier wrote:
Still no answer from any of the 'tuners' regarding emissions post tune being the right side of the law.


Why are you so personally interested? I admittedly have had several tuning upgrades and whilst not an expert have had no problems with any of the three MOTs I've had. If I had issues I would address and correct them accordingly No MOT=No vehicle on the road! It may be misperception but it appears from this and another thread that you have some axe to grind with the tuners perhaps? Maybe they've decided to reserve judgement and comment until all the facts have been presented and clarified.

First paragraph here may go partway to answering your general question. If you're considering a tune (which I seriously doubt) and if you want specifics why not contact them individually via 'pm' or e-mail that would be the decent thing to do in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_tuning If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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borderterrier



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No axe to grind with anyone. I am just not a groupie of the tuning fraternity. Why interested, why not? It's topical and deserves exploring.
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Re: Decat
Dean Watson wrote:

I understand some peoples enviromental considerations but if you have drilled out the CAT and you pass emissions whats the problem?


The level of emissions required is just a number. It's a benchmark that a vehicle has to conform to.

Removing a Cat or DPF (or indeed an EGR for that matter) may mean you are still above this benchmark, those that don't remove them are further above the benchmark. I doubt that anyone (even if they say they are) can realistically claim that removing any of the emissions gadgets make their engine run cleaner.

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borderterrier wrote:
No axe to grind with anyone. I am just not a groupie of the tuning fraternity. Why interested, why not? It's topical and deserves exploring.


Why not indeed! Not a fan of the tuning fraternity either I gather? It brings a ray of sunshine and frivolity to the thread constantly forcefeeding and hammering home to anyone that may question them the same rules over and over again! Were you the instigator of the new rules? If not I bet you wish you were!

Live and let live!

I have finally grasped the concept....CAT or DPF needed for MOT....Working on it!...Whistle Laughing Thumbs Up

Interesting quote.... Question

borderterrier wrote:
My point is, and has been all along, that of legitimate companies knowingly breaking the law by removing DPFs and Catalytic Converters from road going vehicles.


Up until February 14th this year a DPF or catalytic convertor was NOT a requirement for the test. Does that them mean those that removed it and passed the emission test were on the wrong side of the law? Personally I think not! If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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Perhaps we should start a "Cat Bank" Whistle
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On my emissions test last October I got 0.2 out of a possible 3. This is on a de egr ed 300tdi which is quite good by all accounts. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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What the EGR does, or a CAT for that matter, isn't measured by the equipment used for an MOT, so their presence or otherwise is irrelevant as far as the test goes. Darren

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So the gumbumping about emissions is immaterial too? Thank f.... for that if it is! Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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LandRoverAnorak wrote:
What the EGR does, or a CAT for that matter, isn't measured by the equipment used for an the MOT, so their presence or otherwise is irrelevant as far as the test goes.


Maybe so, but if the cat isn't present it's a fail regardless of emissions.
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borderterrier



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K9F wrote:
So the gumbumping about emissions is immaterial too? Thank f.... for that if it is! Thumbs Up


See above. Not gum bumping, fact.
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And if the DPF is removed then the particulates will be outside the prescribed limits within these tables.



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So all fact. Bottom line, if the catalytic converter is removed and it's meant to be there - MOT fail. If the DPF is removed and it's meant to be there - MOT fail.
No ifs or buts.
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borderterrier



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K9F wrote:
borderterrier wrote:
No axe to grind with anyone. I am just not a groupie of the tuning fraternity. Why interested, why not? It's topical and deserves exploring.


Why not indeed! Not a fan of the tuning fraternity either I gather? It brings a ray of sunshine and frivolity to the thread constantly forcefeeding and hammering home to anyone that may question them the same rules over and over again! Were you the instigator of the new rules? If not I bet you wish you were!

Live and let live!

I have finally grasped the concept....CAT or DPF needed for MOT....Working on it!...Whistle Laughing Thumbs Up

Interesting quote.... Question

borderterrier wrote:
My point is, and has been all along, that of legitimate companies knowingly breaking the law by removing DPFs and Catalytic Converters from road going vehicles.


Up until February 14th this year a DPF or catalytic convertor was NOT a requirement for the test. Does that them mean those that removed it and passed the emission test were on the wrong side of the law? Personally I think not!


Wish I had the time to make up regulations!
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