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| borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677   
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Yea those damn commies have a lot to answer for. We are where we are, nothing will revert that, so you just have to get on with it. Restrictions will only get worse, don't fight the white.
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5th Feb 2014 12:41am |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006  
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Reading through this and other information am I right in thinking that because it all refers to fitted as standard then that actually means from when which ever technology was incorporated into the emissions laws eg euro3 was y2k and included egr so on a pre y2k car the egr if fitted was effectively an option and could be removed? Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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5th Feb 2014 6:02am |
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| borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677
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That's a good question. Not sure to be honest, but I would suspect that if the car was built with said item, it should stay with it throughout its working life. MOT testers would go by chassis number rather than date a restriction came in place when checking for these items I would have thought.
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5th Feb 2014 7:15am |
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| Landlord Member Since: 27 Oct 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 582 
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I will hopefully have an answer today at least from my local MOT station.
My decat TD5 is due an MOT on the 16th March. I can take it in on the 17th Feb which is the earliest to get a full MOT from the anniversary date. However that's one day after the supposed change to the MOT on DPF and CAT. I spoke to the MOT tester yesterday and he believed it only applied to DPF but would check and give me an answer today. I have booked an MOT for this Friday just in case. ( I'm away next week so can't get it done before the 16th). Will update later when I have an answer. 2007 TD5 90 Hard Top |
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5th Feb 2014 7:29am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
fail Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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5th Feb 2014 10:42am |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422
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Morning all,
This is a wonderful read, I did an mot yesterday and double checked the exhaust section 7.1 ANY VEHICLE FITTED WITH A CAT AS STANDARD, PETROL OR DIESEL will fail if missing at time of test. EVEN IF IT PASSES THE EMMISSIONS TEST as some cars can. But for some reason certain vehicles merc sprinters pre dpf models don't always have them from new so there are a few get outs. No doubt at some point autodata will publish the models that have them and those that don't, this may also come thru the mot vts device as giving test procedures for airbag, abs, etc to give guidance for testers. As for egr it is not a testable item as such at this time, the only thing an egr can fail for is excessive release of gases (exhaust blowing) which is common sense really. I hope this helps |
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5th Feb 2014 10:49am |
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| borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677
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Thanks for the update. Clearly a diligent practitioner.
 I assume by your tone that if on inspection a vehicle was missing either Cat or DPF which I was supposed to have fitted, you would fail it? |
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5th Feb 2014 10:53am |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443 
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So that's pretty much that then. If your motor had a cat fitted from the factory then it must be fitted when you present it for an MoT, really should be on all the time as a VOSA stop check can cause you some serious problems if not fitted.
Good job I didn't scrap mine when I took it off, bit of a pain really because if mine was a few months older then there wouldn't be one on it anyway but such is life. It is a pain that they are taking the ruling back to build dates, that's 12 year old Defenders and newer. |
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5th Feb 2014 11:01am |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422
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I have failed vehicles for no cat 2 so far.
However these things can be well hidden on certain makes so its not always obvious, Its my testing licence on the line here, so far 2 years testing no cock ups and want to keep it that way. Last one was the best, told very well spoken gent his very nice tri axle motor home will fail before it even hist the ramp as he gave me a long lecture about stainless 316 steels and the exhaust pipe he had made for it and I quote " Just you put a ticket on it and I will put it back on over the weekend." Well I failed it he went nuts, printed out section 7.1 told him to ring vosa if he was`ent happy. But after all he was going to put it back on over the weekend so I could`ent see the problem  |
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5th Feb 2014 11:12am |
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| borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677
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A man of integrity. Tricky doing the right thing on a difficult day.
I do have some sympathy for the unsuspecting buyer of a second hand vehicle who is unaware of illegal modifications that may have been made. |
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5th Feb 2014 11:17am |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422
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Your right this is where the problems will begin, there will be some poor kid who has just passed there test spent 3k on insurance and is now faced with a wopping bill for something they have no idea of let alone of the costs involved.
Sometimes its not nice to be in this trade. Many is the time I have had grown men break down hitting out falling in a heap because of the costs involved in forgetting or not knowing what a cambelt does never mind the mot. Its not all bodge it and leg it out here a lot of us do care and I would rather pass or pass and advise every day than fail as its no fun when your cars off the road... |
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5th Feb 2014 11:36am |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006
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Been talking to my mot provider and apparently at the moment there is no provision for telling what a specific vehicle should or shouldn't have fitted from the factory officially provided by vosa so his view is that in the absence of clear direction all he can go on is the various dates of enforcement for the various levels of the euro regs. Like he said how is he expected to know exactly what each and every car on the road ought to be? Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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5th Feb 2014 11:59am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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This for some is obviously an 'emotive issue' and for others an ideal opportunity to climb upon their soapbox to do some 'muck raking' and 'bear-poking' all of which appears at the moment to be rumour, conjecture and supposition. Why not just wait and see what finer details appear perhaps? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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5th Feb 2014 12:06pm |
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| Dean Watson Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Derby Posts: 257 
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Just spoken to my local mot centre, (also landrover owners).
Their view is its a visual check to see if the CAT is fitted,if it is (or looks like it is) and you pass emissions fine, so anyone who has drilled out the CAT may well get away with it, anyione who has a decat pipe with no CAT at all is going to be in trouble. I understand some peoples enviromental considerations but if you have drilled out the CAT and you pass emissions whats the problem? Unless its purely a live by the law problem some members have, after all if you drive any defender your hardly going to be welcome at a friends of the earth teaparty are you? More fuel for the fire |
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5th Feb 2014 1:09pm |
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