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big steve



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well its more fool you for letting it be stolen i think tbh the topic of cat dpf is gettin a little boring people will do what they want to do end off just because you thinks its wrong then thats your opinion there will always be a mot man that will pass it just depends if hes a landrover enthussiast or not

as for the remaping of cas causing more emmissions have the tuners ever said id does or doesnt

like i said in my previouse post the mot station i took my vehicle to couldnt get a reading and that was without a cat and it was remaped and that was after the obviouse drive it down the road mate its got to cold syndrome ?

steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
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big steve



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also good luck to the 4 guys lol mine hasnt got a cat or dpf so bit of a waste of time lol 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit
ashcroft atb in transfer box
6 speed auto in build
Post #305186 4th Feb 2014 10:29pm
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borderterrier



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big steve wrote:
well its more fool you for letting it be stolen

Like I have some control over that! What a ridiculous statement to make. There is enough written within his forum for anyone to realise that if a thief wants it, he will get it, regardless of the security you load it with. I feel sorry for all those poor 'fools' , some of which are forum members, that have had their pride and joy stolen or bits of it removed, just to fuel a demand for parts.

MOT wise, if you choose to use a dodgy MOT tester for your motor that's up to you. Like you say there will always be some crook that will pass it regardless of condition or whether it meets regulations. Integrity it would seem, is not a word in your vocabulary.
The 'tuners' have not said anything either way as far as I am aware, so I will assume that a tuned, (read modified for the purpose of the regulations) engine falls outside of the prescribed emission limits for that particular vehicle and is therefore not legal on the roads. When I say vehicle, I mean any vehicle, not just Defenders.

Regarding the DPF/Catalytic Converter topic getting boring, I would disagree, I think it's just getting interesting.

Edited for typos, no other reason.

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big steve



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i only find it boring because i work for one of the biggest makers of catylists and dpfs !
also as said my tuned defender passed its mot with no cat and couldnt get a reading what does that say ?
steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit
ashcroft atb in transfer box
6 speed auto in build
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big steve wrote:
well its more fool you for letting it be stolen
steve


Seriously? Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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borderterrier



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borderterrier



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big steve wrote:
i only find it boring because i work for one of the biggest makers of catylists and dpfs !steve


In which case you should realise the benefits of having them fitted.

big steve wrote:
also as said my tuned defender passed its mot with no cat and couldnt get a reading what does that say ?
steve


Well given the fact your happy to get an 'enthusiast' to MOT your vehicle, very little!
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RobKeay



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In the chainsaw world they have been trying to get them to fit cats for years. They have managed to get away with fitting them. But what stihl has done is amazing. Our old strimmers use nearly 3 times as much fuel. The chainsaws about half the amount of fuel. It might be said the older stuff is wearing out but the fuel use is right down.

I really feel if they didn't fit these strange units with expensive and rare materials in we might get better mpg. There's been a lot of claims on here of better mpg with cat removed.

I know a lot of td5 owners with no cat and the emissions are still very good. Surely using less fuel is better for the environment.
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RobKeay



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Also don't n1 defenders have different mot rules. Not sure if that's true but sure I remembering reading about it.
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big steve



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right when saying an enthusiast i meant it in general the bloke that mots my truck is a mechanic thats it sells a few cars !

where did i say he was an enthusiast re read the post

im wasting my breath even trying to explain and tbh getting extremely fed up with the peoples way of thinking on this forum Sad

as said above people will do what they think is right end off

and about the more fool you bit that was in jest but again people take things the wrong way i dont want to see anyones pride and joy stolen and certainly wouldnt want to see mine stolen


rant over i cant be assed

the majority of people moaning are the ones that havnt had a remap or decated there car ? 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit
ashcroft atb in transfer box
6 speed auto in build
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borderterrier



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big steve wrote:
well its more fool you for letting it be stolen i think tbh the topic of cat dpf is gettin a little boring people will do what they want to do end off just because you thinks its wrong then thats your opinion there will always be a mot man that will pass it just depends if hes a landrover enthussiast or not steve


You said it here!
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big steve



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yes and again you have read it completly wrong Rolling with laughter doesnt say the guy that mots my car is and ethusiast though does it ?

also in just reading some of the things on the net the only people the mot test will concern will be people on here it will concern are 2.2 owners as it the diesel particulate filter being removed it says nothing about the cat being removed 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
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ashcroft atb in transfer box
6 speed auto in build
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borderterrier



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You can't be bothered as your argument is flawed. By the majority of the people moaning, you mean me? I am not moaning, I am asking some uncomfortable questions, healthy debate is important to get facts in the open where they belong. I don't have my Defender tuned, or 'decatted' because I see no need to do either. Each to their own regarding that one. My point is, and has been all along, that of legitimate companies knowingly breaking the law by removing DPFs and Catalytic Converters from road going vehicles. We are still to establish whether tuning pushes the emissions outside the prescribed limits, but if it does then clearly that throws a whole new light on the tuning market. Policing it would be nigh on impossible, but owners should be aware of the all the facts if they decide to go down that road.

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Yes I've only found info on dpf and it includes lorries.

Bit of a pain and nanny state. Can't see that many people would bother to do it. All a lot of fuss over nothing.
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big steve wrote:
yes and again you have read it completly wrong Rolling with laughter doesnt say the guy that mots my car is and ethusiast though does it ?


Whatever you say! Banging Head Banging Head Banging Head
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