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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2422   
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Castol BOT 130 is a synthetic 75w/90 GL-4 manual transmission oil Puma 110" SW
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26th Mar 2009 7:19pm |
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| Tony_Hillerby Member Since: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Inverurie Posts: 36  
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Got this reply from an oil supplier who spoke to Castrol
After speaking to Castrol Auto tech, BOT130 is the factory fill product, it is not available for Castrol to re-sell, it is only made for Landrover direct. Landrover in your gearbox require an oil to meet spec (ford spec) M2C 200C both BOT130 and Castrol SMX-S meet this spec. They Castrol Tech guy Said that the SMX-S is a better, higher spec than BOT130. This is Castrols retail version of BOT130. I hope this helps Regards Paul Race Industrial Products Ltd |
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30th Mar 2009 7:41pm |
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| Gabriel Boff Member Since: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 95  
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Does the Motul 8100 5w30, meet the LR spec for the puma 2.4, if not, it is better or worse?????
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21st Apr 2009 7:45pm |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110 
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Gabriel,
There is not a good or worse oil: specs can vary a lot between one and other normative, maybe ACEA are more restrictive in some issues than WSS, but without knowing the WSS and ACEA parameters is quite difficult to say it), In our case the manual states clearly that the Puma can ONLY use a WSS-M2C913-B or WSS-M2C921-A complaint oil. Unless LR states that other type of oil can be used I would prefer to stick in the specs to do not invalidate the guarantee. When the dealer said me that Mobil 1 fulfills all the specs from LR I ask for a letter with the LR stamp stated that. I never receive it... Just edited to add something: Quote Ford has issued a revision to WSS-M2C913-B which raises the minimum ACEA performance level from ACEA A1/B1 to ACEA A5/B5-08. Therefore, in future some ACEA A5/B5-08 engine oils may also meet the requirements of Ford WSS-M2C913-C. . that means that an ACEA A5/B5-08 oil complaint are not enough for the Puma Unquote Cheers! Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge Last edited by Eduardo on 21st Apr 2009 8:18pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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21st Apr 2009 8:01pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2422
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MOTUL produces a specific oil for Ford engines called:Specific FORD 913B 5W-30
check on : http://www.motul.es/fichas_tecnicas/SPECIFIC_FORD913B_5W30_E.pdf So, it doesn`t. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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21st Apr 2009 8:03pm |
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| Gabriel Boff Member Since: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 95
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You two are right again, and my dealer is wrong, they are using Motul 8100 in all LR diesel models.
in my 10000 inspection, in the dealer, I asked about the oil spec, and they don't gave me an answer. And I show an paper with the Motul specific ford oil, and they don't recognise it. well, in next inspection, I will buy the right oil earlier! thank for the informations |
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21st Apr 2009 11:39pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2422
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However, if you look at the tech spec sheet of the 8100 5W/30 you`ll see it also meets the HTHS properties requiered for the ENGINE (motor in Spanish). Perhaps at the time when LR made the deal with Castrol the latter did not developed a 100% synthetic oil with these characteristics.
Look at the motul web page as there are several 100% synths 5W-30. Check which one the dealer is using. Concluding, try get your own oil and be on the safe side, as we do here. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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22nd Apr 2009 12:35am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2422
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Why some oil brands offer engine and transmission oils with MoS2 additives? If that would be so good then I would say all oils should come with that stuff. Puma 110" SW
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27th Apr 2009 7:04pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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CAstrol A1 is ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5 and WSS-M2C913-B spec.
If you read into ACEA website you understand that an ACEA A5/B5-08 oil complaint ARE ENOUGHT for the Puma CASTROL MAGNATEC 5W-30 A1 This from Castrol website MAGNATEC 5W – INTELLIGENT MOLECULES WITH GREATER FUEL EFFICIENCY agnatec 5W-30 A1 uses less fuel compared to other oils, allowing you to drive more miles – up to 370 miles a year further *. Go to our Driving Adventures section to find out where your extra miles can take you. Plus your engine will also benefit from Castrol Magnatec’s Intelligent Molecules, clinging to your engine and forming an extra layer that protects from the start.
KEEP YOUR CAR AT ITS PEAK FOR LONGER: astrol Magnatec 5W-30 A1 combining Intelligent Molecules and fully synthetic technology: Clings to your engine forming an extra layer that protects from start up Provides more protection than other oils during the critical start up period Bonds to metal surfaces making engine parts more resistant to wear Provides superior performance under extreme cold start up conditions APPROVALS & SPECIFICATIONS PI SL ILSAC GF-3 ACEA A1/B1 and A5/B5 Meets Ford WSS-M2C913 A, B and C WSS-M2C913-B/C ata based on 5W grades vs a 15W-40 in Industry approved test NOTE: 5W-30 oil is only suitable for cars that can use an ACEA A1/B1 and A5/B5 fuel efficient product. Please consult the vehicle handbook to confirm the oils suitability. see also http://www.acea.be/index.php/files/acea_eu...ences_2008 |
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28th Apr 2009 7:26am |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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read my last attached link document, it's interesting about the reduction of engine parts wear frm A1/B1 to A5/B5 !!!
for example:
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28th Apr 2009 9:02am |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110
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Dgardel, Just to clarify According to ACEA (see www.lubrizol.com/acea2008/aceaa5b5.asp) some ACEA A5/B5-08 engine oils may also meet the requirements of Ford WSS-M2C913-C That means that not all the ACEA A5/B5-08 will be WSS-M2C913-C Complaint. In fact as we discussed in other post, for example, Motul have a ACEA A5/B5-08 5W30 oil and other specific oil that complaint with the Ford WSS. Anyway Im not sure why LR is quite restrictive regarding the oil to be used, but until now thre is no other than WSS complaint as clearly stated in the manual. Cheers Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo" Click image to enlarge |
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28th Apr 2009 12:56pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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Right you wrote, thank you for your claryfing Eduardo. My focal points are: 1. ACEA A5/B5 oils are 100% WSS-M2C913-B complaint so are good for our Puma engined Defender 2. ACEA A5/B5 is a hard improvement for the wear protection Last edited by dgardel on 28th Apr 2009 5:17pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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28th Apr 2009 5:07pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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p.s.
http://www.lubrizol.com/acea2008/aceaa5b5.asp link doesn't work....... |
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28th Apr 2009 5:09pm |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110
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opps, working one week ago.... Cheers! Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo" Click image to enlarge |
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28th Apr 2009 6:32pm |
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