ChrisWoods wrote:

They say this man was British born but I don't imagine his name is dave smith..... In this country, if someone breaks into your house and you give them both barrels or even just defend yourself with a bat or knife, you get put away.
Something needs to change..

His name was Adrian Russell Elms - which he changed.

You are wrong. You can defend yourself with reasonable force. If someone attacks you in your house, and your golfclubs are nearby and you hit them with the golf club, it's not an issue. If you chase them out and down the street, not an issue. If you corner them in the next street over and insert the golf club through an orifice, it can be said you are no longer defending yourself  New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info

custom90steve wrote:

Money will be top priority to this govt, believe you me.
Money over lives is what they often do best.

As I said, I think all police except PCSO's should be armed akin to the USA.
Movement should be stopped on the border and those that have managed to get in here should be under a far higher level of surveillance.
Perhaps with luck, without the EU human rights affair they can be deported back to their original country in time.
Cameron said they should stay where they were originally, then when it came to taking action liberal lovies stopped him.
In other words Syrians must be protected but we can be killed on our own turf.

This was what I wanted to discuss and point out the slight flaws in your ideas, although I fully agree that money will be the top priority for the Govt and money over lives. How Theresa May can stand there and say something about the police when she has been butchering the job is beyond me.

But, here is my view on your suggestions.
1) Over 70% of officers when queried replied they didn't want to be armed. The job struggles to recruit armed Police. Most of them can't be trusted with what they have. Giving them guns is not the answer.
I don't know for certain, but I haven't seen any evidence that CS or baton were used in any form of self defence. If not, then I doubt having a gun would have made a difference. Certainly wouldn't have saved the lives of the civilians on the bridge. Maybe, and I mean maybe, it would have saved the officer. But at what cost? Civil liberty and a dozen accidental shootings a year. Not really worth it is it.
2) There is certainly a gap in our intelligence net which needs to be filled by more security services. But how many? Where do you get them from? How do you train another 500 Mi5 operators when one bloke in a hire car can drive through a pack of people?
3) You do know that the EU human rights was drafted by us right? So if you think that's going to change anything
4) Blaming the current terrorism on Syrian refugees is like blaming midges on Irn Bru. It makes no sense other than are vaguely connected by the weakest of links. Yet you would deprive thousands of women and children the basic human comforts because you are a bit scared one of their husbands might be so off about the bombs Cameron dropped on his house that he might want to seek a bit of redress?

Make no mistake, I am no bleeding heart liberal. But I am not blinded that I cannot see what they want is anger and fear. You want to know what strength is? Compassion. Want to know what brave is? Feel the fear but do it anyway. You want to give terrorists what they want? Lash out and react in an over zealous way. This will help them recruit more. New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info

David T wrote:

What needs to change for a start is the lack of action from the mainstream Muslim community. Where are the Muslim crowds taking to the streets? Why no marches around Birmingham, Leicester, Slough or Bradford, with people waving placards proclaiming that "ALL Lives Matter" ??? It's easy to see that there's a lack of action by the Muslim community and it's exactly this " silence is complicity " that the fascist alt-right and bigoted, xenophobic racists will continue to exploit.
I.S. and it's cancerous network of nutters are not going to go away, they're not going to suddenly sit around a table and have a peace initiative drawn up. They're going to continue to kill and maim as many people, especially white, western people, as possible by using more and more depraved ways and means. When they have the time and resources they'll hack off heads, burn people alive or throw gay blokes off tall buildings. In western cities they'll use something easier but it won't be long before a dirty bomb becomes the weapon of choice.
I've seen quite a few army personnel in Rome, Florence and Venice, armed and patrolling, in addition to the Carabinieri. We need some of that here. We have the best armed forces in the world, let's make it clear to them that they won't get sued by Baroness Shami and her pals and make them a visible deterrent. If some nutter, using their hatred of western society as a reason, wants to kill innocent people before becoming a martyr, let's try to protect the innocent people whilst ensuring martyrdom arrives as quickly as possible. I'm certain the bleeding-heart progressives will find this horrifying and probably believe that Corbyn could talk nicely to I.S. and sort things out over a cup of Fair Trade tea and some of his home made jam. It's not going to happen. The best way to fight fire is with a fire extinguisher. As I posted earlier, well done and thank you to the officer who put some rounds into the murderer at Westminster.