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bpman



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quote from another forum .. how true this is ...

People need to separate "Islam" from terrorists.

I have been living and working in Saudi Arabia for 6 years. If you think terror attacks on the "West" are bad you should take a look at terror attacks in the "East". Daily bombings, mosques targeted, police targeted, normal civilian Muslims targeted... this is not a war against the West. It's a war against the world and I promise you one thing, if it wasn't for the help of Muslim intelligence, emanating from the middle east.. these attacks would be 10 times more frequent and more deadly in in the UK.

The sooner people realise this the better. ISIS wants the "West" to turn against the Muslim population and the idea of Islam. They want to turn what is a relatively peaceful cohabitation into all out fear and war. Those who speak out against mosques or the Muslim population or carry out retaliation attacks, verbal or physical are actually doing the work of ISIS and igniting what is already a tense relationship. Simple statements like "go home" are exactly what ISIS wants to hear.

The despicable attack on Westminster should only serve to unite non-Muslims and Muslims, to bring us all together. It is ISIS's greatest fear for this to happen and the only way we can defeat them. Do you think the terrorist driving across that bridge would have cared if he had killed another Muslim? No. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, if they truly wanted to destroy non-Muslims we would have a much bigger problem than we do now!

In my 6 years here living the "home of Islam", I have never met a single person who has anything against the West. Yes they will speak out against our culture as we do theirs but only extremists, who are denounced by the Muslim population, would ever support acts of terror on civilians anywhere in the world.
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Expecting a world religion to apologise for a few nutters is a stupid notion.

I am white male so should I apologise every time a white man does something wrong as I am in that group.

It's ridiculous.

There is a real sense of relief on the faces of people liberated from IS areas. They no more share their beliefs than we do.

IS are a bunch of terrorists and target anyone who opposes them and yes fight that with a fire extinguisher ( cool water ) don't feed the flames. HR064 Hampshire and Berkshire 4x4 Response
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ChrisWoods wrote:
They say this man was British born but I don't imagine his name is dave smith...

Apparently, it's Adrian. Darren

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The problem is the wider ramifications which it causes.

A delivery driver came this morning with a sheet of steel, I started helping him unstrap it and just generally talking, finding out how he is where he is going next - usual sort of thing and he seemed very nervous. He then suddenly turned to me and asked "are you American?" which puzzled me because I don't really have an accent other than I suppose Kentish?

I told him no I'm British and laughed why is that?

"you the nicest English person I have talked to this week. My last delivery they just told me to F*** off pa**ie, All I get is abuse but you are the first English person who has been nice to me, which is why I thought you were American because Americans have always been nice to me".

I was absolutely shocked I couldn't believe what he was telling me. He opened up about how much abuse he gets on a daily basis and I just stood there dumbstruck. So I helped him with his load, signed the paperwork and off he went.

These are exactly the sort of things which cause radicalisation. He just wanted to get through his day job so he could go home to his family, something we all do daily but nobody should be subjected to racist or islamaphobic or any other phobic abuse.

Everyone agrees that Terrorists are dicks and nobody but terrorists want them to succeed. But its not only in Islam, you only have to go back 20 years (well within my lifetime) and it was the Irish who were the terrorists coming over and blowing up innocent people (in many ways more devastating than the latest attacks) but there wasn't hatred for just Irish people. The hate was for the terrorists.

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BPMan and Shaggydog, thank you for your wise and thoughful posts. You are both absolutely right! Thumbs Up
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Yes well said guys. Thumbs Up Sadly there will always be those amongst us who willingly blame an entire section of the population purely because they are different to themselves and they hate different. Those who want isolation, walls, segregation in my eyes are just cowards.
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LandRoverAnorak wrote:
ChrisWoods wrote:
They say this man was British born but I don't imagine his name is dave smith...

Apparently, it's Adrian.


Where are the Adrian crowds taking to the streets? The lack of action by other Adrian's means they are complicit in the action. We should go out and round up other Adrian's, they're out there.
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^^^ We should deport all Adrians even though they were born here and build a big wall to stop any of them getting back in. We should also be issued with guns and be allowed to shoot an Adrian on sight as they are bound to be rotten to the core and hell bent on destruction. Phil
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I like the thinking , we could call it Adrian's wall and make the Adrians' pay for it. HR064 Hampshire and Berkshire 4x4 Response
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Great speech by Andrew Neil on last nights This week.

Keith Palmer had been a copper for 15 years, a husband, a dad, brother, uncle, public servant. Before joining the police, he’d been in the army, defending our nation,

Yesterday he was murdered defending our democracy, defending the very heart of our democracy from a barbarian at the gate.

Just doing his duty, reminding us of something we badly needed reminding, that the most important people in this country are not the rich, the powerful, the famous but those who run to confront the enemies of our civilisation while the rest of us are running away. First responders like PC Palmer.

Brutally stabbed to death by a jumped-up jihadi, not fit to breathe the same air as the man he killed.

Now I know there are still some ‘Jihadi Johnnies’ out there who think they will eventually triumph because their love of death is greater than our love of life.

“Do you have any idea who you’re dealing with?

This is the country that stood up alone to the might of the Luftwaffe air force the greatest evil mankind has ever known.

If you think we’re going to be cowed by some pathetic, Poundland terrorist in an estate car with a knife, then you’re as delusional as you are malevolent."


Yes, you have the power to hurt us. Sometimes the hurt is more than we can bear - but you cannot defeat us.

Because for every brainwashed, brain dead Islamist you send to do us harm, we have thousands upon thousands of Keith Palmers. You find them in every walk of life and in every part of the land, they come in all shapes, all sizes, all colours, all faiths. They are the British people and against them you will never prevail.

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custom90



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Riverboy wrote:
Those who want isolation, walls, segregation in my eyes are just cowards.


You speak for yourself mate, you're only anti Brexit because "I lost £20k over it".

I have not been insulting to you, so I expect the same in return.
This is not the first time you've made digs at anyone, especially me on here regarding such subjects. No Guts, No Glory.
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Well as much as I despise your form of politics, I mentioned no names and was talking generally. Rolling Eyes
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custom90



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The feeling is mutual, you don't fool me with your suggestion of talking generally.
You quote the very wording I often say on such subject. *isolate / isolation*

No other forum member here does this, yes, we don't ALL agree on everything and make our own individual points.
There is no excuse for targeting individual members.

One can only assume you have a hatred for my Avatar... Rolling Eyes No Guts, No Glory.
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You seem to have a very big chip on your shoulder son. You really need to grow up. Rolling Eyes At no point have I mentioned your name, but you seem to think its all about YOU. Probably not for the first time. Rolling Eyes

And just so you know. That flag is my flag. I'm British. Did you think I was another horrible foreigner?
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