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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012  
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It's more than unpleasant at the moment. Dinitrol has been taken over by another company which has caused supply problems and they have changed the ingredient in the 3125 making it harder to work with, it is thicker, bubblier and gloopyer. (EDIT see below post re the new 3125HS and ML) Worse they have changed the propellant on the 4191 and it is unusable, really nasty to breath in, you will NEED an air fed mask. It also goes on thinner than the old stuff. The new Dinitrol company have really messed up with the aerosol form for the DIY market.
Bilt Hamber (Dynax) has always been regarded as one of the best products to use but has been a lot more expensive than Dinitrol. As Dinitrol is/was a similar product that is what most opted for. Today however I have my first delivery of Bilt Hamber that is equal in price to Dinitrol and I will be testing it soon  I am very excited about it and will be returning most of my Dinitrol stock.
There are many reviews about Bilt Hamber (Dynax) the technology has been around for a while. Info on it and tests are shown on their website... Outside chassis wax http://www.bilthamber.com/corrosion-protec...s/dynax-ub Cavity wax http://www.bilthamber.com/corrosion-protec.../dynax-s50 Last edited by Zagato on 20th Oct 2016 12:04pm. Edited 2 times in total |
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19th Oct 2016 6:59am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4203 
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That explains a lot. I can't recall the product numbers exactly. but. when I came to buy some additional tins, I could only find the high solids version of 3125 I think, which was claggy and horrible. The chassis wax changed texture too. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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19th Oct 2016 8:13am |
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| Robo1 Member Since: 23 Oct 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 6 
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Thanks for sharing the information. I have been looking for someone in Cheshire who could do this sort of thing, but there seems to mixed reviews of companies offering the service.
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20th Oct 2016 10:51am |
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| xtr2turbo Member Since: 30 Apr 2016 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 71 
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if that is the case they won't be able to sell like they do today. |
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20th Oct 2016 11:10am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Exactly right. Rejel and their chemist said I need an air fed mask. If it ever came up legally under Health and Safety it would probably suggest an air fed mask. For the one off DIY guy it would just be a really nasty smell, make you feel ill, stink the whole street out and that would be it. The paper mask for sale for the old stuff was inadequate but for a one off DIY job it maybe wouldn,t matter. It,s probably up to the customer to get the correct breathing equipment for the job... There are hazard warnings on the can!
Going back to thick 3125HS I have been now given ML for the cavities and it is the opposite of gloopy really runny! The new company seem to be playing around with the ingredient quite a lot at the moment 
This from Rejel... "Morning Chris products to help with explaining the differences The old 3125 no longer exists The 3125HS is a much thicker product and does not “creep” as well The MLspray is very thin and “creeps”. Both contain rust inhibitors and both can be used as a pre-curser to 4941 although you will need less of the ML than 3125HS. Both are designed for cavities yet the 3125HS could be used a very thin underbody coating but wouldn’t stand up as well as 4941. Confused.com" The products work OK BUT I am still waiting for my Bilt Hamber (Dynax) delivery!! |
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20th Oct 2016 11:52am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Thanks Robo, contact details a few posts back if you fancy a break darn sarf in a Travel Lodge  |
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20th Oct 2016 12:00pm |
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| Robo1 Member Since: 23 Oct 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 6
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Might have to break out my passport to travel that far down south.
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20th Oct 2016 1:21pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Don,t forget your trunks and arm bands, it's blimmen tropical down here compared to up north
 Lived for a year in Derby... Osmaston... Lovely part of the country |
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20th Oct 2016 1:32pm |
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| Bomber82 Member Since: 20 Oct 2009 Location: Alessandria - Italy Posts: 216  
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Hi everybody,
four years ago I've treated all the frame of my 110 using Waxoil and I'm quite pleased with it. Now the rear crossmember is a little bit rusty, what you suggest to protect and repaint it?  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Matteo Defender 110 Td4 SE MY 09 |
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21st Oct 2016 7:33am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Bomber ACF-50 when it is still in good condition does the job and attacks the rust coming from behind the porous chassis paint! Will let someone else answer paints, in the middle of a job, (no time but usual advise, rub back rust, acid convert, prime and top coat of your choice) BUT had to show this...
Dynax UB on the left. Dinitrol 4941 on the right. Both designed to go on the outside of the chassis. ALL my clients want a nice matt black tidy finish so I will be sticking with Dinitrol!
My weapons of choice are now Dynax S50 for the cavities (very similar to Dinitrol 3125HS but seems to flow better) Dinitrol 4941 as usual for the outside of the chassis to give a smart appearance. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  |
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21st Oct 2016 12:42pm |
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| Numnuts Member Since: 07 Sep 2016 Location: West Wickham Posts: 6 
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Picked up my 90 at the weekend after being thoroughly Zag'd, have to echo the praise of all his other satisfied customers, great job! It's not until you get them back you realise every nook and cranny has been taken care of!
Now to find some muddy fields!! |
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23rd Oct 2016 7:50pm |
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| Bomber82 Member Since: 20 Oct 2009 Location: Alessandria - Italy Posts: 216
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A friend of mine suggests this great video....only for strong heart...
Matteo Defender 110 Td4 SE MY 09 |
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24th Oct 2016 9:55am |
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| Bomber82 Member Since: 20 Oct 2009 Location: Alessandria - Italy Posts: 216
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Hi Zagato, thanks for yor reply, how is the Dinitrol 4941 finishing once dried? Matteo
Defender 110 Td4 SE MY 09 |
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24th Oct 2016 9:57am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Dinitrol 4941 Aerosol dries matt black or very dark brown as in my previous post, it is touch dry within half an hour. The Bilt Hamber Dynax UB is still tacky on the same cardboard pictured today three days later.. Not good, it will just pick up all the dirt!
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24th Oct 2016 5:47pm |
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