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mikelike



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All the big infrastructure projects of the 50s and 60s the world over , wether it be a hydro dam , mine establishment, roading development etc were completed with land rovers , because they were a commercial tool !!!!!!!!!! My idea of a new defender , and I believe we need a new one , would once again be a commercial tool that would continue this theme . That 2 litre thing is going to sit outside a hairdressers each day , not be on building sites, in mines , running dictators out of countries . Surely they could build a commercial defender with a haylow top of the range sport TDV8 for the world !!!!!!!!! All commercial vehicles are built for load carrying as well , so where is this version , tray size etc ??????????? It is clear they want an economy urban image defender, !!!!!!!
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jav-uk



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I've been looking at the new DC100 (not the Sport) pics published today and......
I'm starting to like it, having someone stand next to it helps to understand the scale of the car.
It's much bigger than a Yeti, the wide wheel base is good, the rear is tidy.
Get rid of all the show car bling, tweak the sides and font with some retro Defender DNA, loose the crazy wheels, raise the ride height and there just might be a decent 4x4 in there.

The interior as with all concept show cars is over the top, but there will be enough room for three seats up front or maybe two with plenty of elbow room! A central instrument console keeps cost down for LH/RH drive markets.
No computer screens for me please, simple switch gear, a good stereo with bluetooth that works and the option of an auto box.

Should only take 4 years to sort out. Job done, order in the post.

PS. Having driven the D4 and Evoque I have assumed LR will not screw up the drive train. Paul

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NoDo$h



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Leo wrote:
NoDo$h wrote:

This is why all the knuckle-draggers on certain other LR forums won't get a hearing; because they have never bought a product from Land Rover. If the only comment on offer is negative, you will never have a say. Land Rover have no choice. I have lost count of the number of "just fit airbags" Censored on various forums. Not even close. The EU have killed the Defender and the blunt front. They have killed the engine. They have killed the robust chassis construction. The EU aand our politicians, not Land Rover. Evil or Very Mad


Not true Whistle

The G-wagen, Toyota Landcruiser 70-series, various Jeeps etc are sold in the EU with no issue, yet maintain their utilitarian shape, two live axles, powerful engines but have been updates with airbags, better crash safety and whatever else the EU requires.

Rolling Eyes and let's see what happens to tthose models in 2016 Whistle
G wagen will vanish. Jeep is close butlook closely and I think you'll see some changes needed for future regs. Fj likewise 

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DG



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The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Cool

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What’s the motivation behind the Land Rover DC100 Concept? Why are you replacing the Defender?

Forthcoming legislation requires a replacement in the 2015/2016 time frame. The Land Rover DC100 concept builds on the essential elements of the car’s character such as its capabilities. We want this to open the debate and inspire people to dream about the Defenders of the future.
Any potential Defender replacement will be configurable and will need to include a wide range of derivatives. A range that could run from commercial derivatives, similar to today’s Defender, to more lifestyle orientated specifications.

Is this the final product or will it change?
This is a concept vehicle – one that shows our thinking on how we reinvent the Defender for a new generation. It’s the beginning of a four-year journey and by no means production ready. We’re starting a discussion about the future of the Defender and want our fans and customers to be a part of that conversation.

Are you listening to your fans?
We are listening and we are extremely proud of how passionate, knowledgeable and loyal our fans are. We will absolutely be talking to our current owners to make sure any next generation vehicle meets their needs. We want our fans and customers to help us finalise the details of the new vehicle and to be a part of the debate as we move forward. We will continue to discuss the Land Rover DC100 concept within Facebook and Twitter and will share updates regularly. We have also set up a research programme that you can find out more about and register for on our website

Is this the future of Land Rover?

For more than six decades, Land Rover has been designing and building 4x4s that define capability, versatility and usability. Like no other vehicle, Defender inspires affection and loyalty the world over and we are extremely proud of the passion shown by our customers and fans. The Land Rover DC100 follows this same path and any new vehicle will be true to our heritage.
Both concepts capture the adventurous, daring, indomitable spirit of Land Rover. They are intended to explore the potential future design language that takes the open and honest character, and timeless simplicity of the original Defender and updates them for the 21st Century. Technology and the capability of our vehicles play a crucial part in our future and we will be sharing more information on specific details over the coming months.

What are your plans now?
This is a concept vehicle – designing a production-ready concept is a whole different matter. The next steps for us are to invite people to dream and talk about the Defenders of the future, and to develop a business case for what the next Defender will be able to do. From there, we want to make the new vehicle accessible to our loyal customers and to a new audience of fans.

Will it be as good off-road as the current Defender?
The concept is a Land Rover vehicle and we are committed to making premium off-road vehicles for a global audience. We believe we can actually make it more capable off-road and far more livable on-road. The Defender is one of the most adaptable vehicles on the planet and has been put to use by a number of industries and organisations from explorers, ecologists, UN aid workers and Red Cross medics. Its replacement will lose none of this versatility. We are actively exploring future variants with the help of our customers.

Will it be more reliable than the current Defender?
We believe we can actually make it more capable off-road and far more liveable with on-road. This is what the Land Rover DC100 concept will explore and over the coming months we will be setting it a few challenges to see how it performs under pressure.

What will it be able to do?
The concept aims to explore and challenge this, however it will be as capable as the current Defender and we are working with our partners such as the Red Cross, Biosphere and Born Free to ensure it can go everywhere the current Defender can.
The only limit to a Defender’s abilities is the imagination of its owners and the Land Rover DC100 maintains this personalisation and configurability.

Can you pull it apart and put it back together?
The Defender is the original reconfigurable vehicle, being used by explorers, ecologists, UN aid workers or Red Cross medics. The design brief for the concept was to create a vehicle that is capable, versatile, and configurable and to appeal to our existing customers and potential new audiences.

Is modularity still important for the new Defender?
The core of Defender is modularity, today we build 28 versions of Defender including hard top, soft top, crew cab, chassis cab, station wagons, and pick-ups for a future Defender modularity is an absolute must.

Are the designers and engineers working together?
It’s important to move forward with design integrity. Design and engineering are working together hand in hand to create a Defender which demonstrates longevity, functionality in a desirable contemporary design – not retro – but a vehicle relevant for the 21st century.
We have the same mind-set, a can do attitude that deliver creative solutions in terms of engineering and a vehicle that customer not only need but really want.

What are the interiors like?
Functionality and usability are two key characteristics of Land Rover interiors – the position and logic of every control should be obvious the moment the driver enters. The concepts take this premise and address it in a contemporary way.
Both interiors feature rugged, durable and sustainable modern materials that offer comfort levels undreamt of by early Land Rover owners. Those chosen for DC100 are the latest in high-tech, tough, premium fabrics that will survive a lifetime of the roughest treatment. In DC100 Sport they are more luxurious, featuring leather with a subtle Tribal Tech pattern, referencing Land Rover’s legacy of exploration.

Will it last for years like my current Defender?
We estimate that approximately 75% of the nearly 2 million Land Rovers built are still in use around the globe. We therefore understand the importance of longevity, and this will not be ignored.

Will it still be a commercial vehicle?
Our commercial users are really important to us and we’re committed to delivering a vehicle capable for their needs in the future, however we can’t share specific details at this point. We are working closely with our partners at the Red Cross and Born Free to ensure the new vehicle is relevant for them.
We know the Defender plays a big role in the lives of many farmers, explorers, aid workers – you name it! Any replacement will stay true to this heritage and in fact we believe we can even improve its current capabilities as a trusted work horse. There are specific details about the concept’s capabilities on our UK blog

Will it be affordable?
We understand the Defender must appeal to a wide audience and will share pricing information once we are in the production phase of this four-year project.

Why is it similar to a Range Rover? Is that the new design direction for Land Rover?
Land Rover has a design integrity that stretches back more than 60 years and the concept stays true to the original Defender, taking design and capability cues from the original 1948 vehicle. The design brief was to create a vehicle that will resonate with the commercial customer and the retail customer. It must be capable, versatile, and configurable. The capabilities and functionality of the Land Rover DC100 make it undeniably a Defender.


Read more: http://blog.landrover.com/vehicles/dc100-v...z1XsIDKAqb
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willy eckerslike



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Sounds just what the Doctor ordered, get it right and it will once again out sell the FFRR and D4 and be the peoples choice, people who would rather it stayed just as it is will still be able to get the Defender in it's current format for many years i'm sure.

I feel if Land Rover get it right alot of D3/4 owners will defect back to the Defender as at the minute there is a very wide gulf between the D4 and the current Defender. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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Setok



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Seems like a lot of those replies were "non-answers" in typical spokesperson speak. I also don't like the word 'premium', especially in the context of a Defender. Defenders aren't about being premium, they're about doing jobs. Premium sounds like "expensive to replace, paying for things I didn't want to pay for". I don't care how 'premium' the interiors are. I'd prefer them to be utilitarian.
Post #89028 14th Sep 2011 6:15am
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Setok



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jav-uk wrote:
I've been looking at the new DC100 (not the Sport) pics published today and......
I'm starting to like it, having someone stand next to it helps to understand the scale of the car.
It's much bigger than a Yeti, the wide wheel base is good, the rear is tidy.
Get rid of all the show car bling, tweak the sides and font with some retro Defender DNA, loose the crazy wheels, raise the ride height and there just might be a decent 4x4 in there.


Yes. Plus make it modular so you can remove and install things. Get rid of the 'premium' interior. Replace the plastic bits which are going to break the first time it sees the slightest bit of forest. Remove the terrain response stuff and replace with locks. Remove any gadgets which make it more complex, difficult to fix and more likely to break. Oh and bring the vents back!

Effectively we're redesigning the whole car.

What I want to see is something simple and utilitarian. Something you could see the military use. And no premium stuff, thank you.

Oh, and the images in the gallery are, I think, from Iceland. I recognise some parts!
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pcoote



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Where's the third Defender concept?
A few days ago I did happen to see on a business feature on the telly, the Chairman of JLR say there would be THREE different Defender concepts revealed at the Frankfurt motor show. What happened to the third one? Maybe that was the proper Utility concept with no computer screen gizmos and with hose out interiors. They just wanted to wind us all up.

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lrmaniac



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Portugal 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green
Have you heard this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcMV200P6o&feature=youtu.be

and this? ... well written

http://www.4wdhandbook.com/rmp/blog/DC100-...all-photos

"You can't design "iconic" into a vehicle, it becomes iconic because of what people do with it, and what people do with it is driven by cold hard practicality." Thumbs Up Regards
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I was right it does look like the new mini Shocked

Quote from John Edwards, LR global brand director, at the Frankfurt Show this week..."Some of us were involved with the Mini project, and we encountered some 'attitudes' (to change) back then. But we soon learned that although these people deserved a hearing, they were a very small minority. There's a great case for a modern product, and the Mini helped show us the way"

Get the RR & Disco designers on the job not these jokers Rolling Eyes
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pcoote



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'these people' how condescending is that. Wasn't it 'these people' that kept LR in business.
Check out this, the long wheel base and cab versions,
The load bay looks very small.
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BigMike



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FFS Rolling with laughter this is a C O N C E P T car Rolling with laughter

Those who think the finished article will look like the vehicle in the image need their heads testing.
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Hope you are right Mike but the RRS came out pretty much the same as the concept don't you think. For this reason I am a little worried
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lrmaniac



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BigMike wrote:
FFS Rolling with laughter this is a C O N C E P T car Rolling with laughter

Those who think the finished article will look like the vehicle in the image need their heads testing.


I hope you're right! And I know that these are diferent models (?) But ...

Do you remember seeing the pics of the Evoque concept ?



Have you seen the Evoque nowadays ?


Click image to enlarge
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Joao

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