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Setok

Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 422

pcoote wrote:

Respect Fishrider, you are born and bred on the Defender. I don't want to have a go at you in particular, but I get frustrated with people on here who basically want a BMW X5 clone and don't seem to understand that it's not about refinement and look at me on the dance floor good looks. I'm defo not accusing you of this, you just hit a nerve. I would like Landrover to understand what they have before they themselves start dissing it (so I agree they've neglected the brand), I don't think they are even listening though.

For what it's worth, I agree with you. The appeal, for me, of the Defender is that it is in no way pretentious. It's been built to do a job and not to sell to ladies with poodles or men with their golf clubs. Not that anyone would look at you strangely if you showed up with your golf clubs to whack a few balls at St Andrews. That's the beauty of it. It doesn't try to be anything. It's gone through its own evolution and stuck with us from one generation to the next. Ask something of it, and it will deliver.

Except for winning at Le Mans.

30th Oct 2011 9:01pm

warren

Member Since: 14 Oct 2009
Location: East Lancs.
Posts: 903

2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Santorini Black

Setok wrote:

...Not that anyone would look at you strangely if you showed up with your golf clubs to whack a few balls at St Andrews....

Last year I was working on the farm one Saturday, Big Black was covered in mud in the middle of a field and it looked right at home. That evening I spent five minutes with the pressure washer and went into Manchester. Parked it up behind an S Class just off Deansgate, it looked right at home.

I can't see the DC100 being the same...

I must admit, it is growing on me, but not as a Defender.

31st Oct 2011 12:55am

jav-uk

Member Since: 29 Mar 2010
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 112

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Alpine White

Rumor: Revised DC100 to be shown at LA motoshow mid Nov. Looks like DC100 will be targeting US customers.
Time to speculate on changes. Big fat juicy petrol V8 anyone? Paul

Pondering a New 90 Commercial
2020 Evoque
* 2014 110 SW JE Stage 2.
*2010 110 Utility. JE Stage 2.
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1st Nov 2011 9:25am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

jav-uk wrote:
Rumor: Revised DC100 to be shown at LA motoshow mid Nov. Looks like DC100 will be targeting US customers.
Time to speculate on changes. Big fat juicy petrol V8 anyone?

Maybe this time it will actually look like a Landrover...

2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

1st Nov 2011 9:39am

Ads90

Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
Posts: 809

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green

jav-uk wrote:
Rumor: Revised DC100 to be shown at LA motoshow mid Nov. Looks like DC100 will be targeting US customers.
Time to speculate on changes. Big fat juicy petrol V8 anyone?

Maybe... but it might be diesel - the septics are warming to oil-burners a little more now their fuel isn't quite as cheap as it was...
No bad thing though, as they are unlikely to sell it there with a small diesel, so we may have either an option between two, or at least a medium sized lump that would satisfy both markets?

1st Nov 2011 10:34am

DefenderOfTheEarth

Member Since: 09 Nov 2010
Location: Cornwall, UK
Posts: 1304

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Ads90 wrote:
jav-uk wrote:
Rumor: Revised DC100 to be shown at LA motoshow mid Nov. Looks like DC100 will be targeting US customers.
Time to speculate on changes. Big fat juicy petrol V8 anyone?

Maybe... but it might be diesel - the septics are warming to oil-burners a little more now their fuel isn't quite as cheap as it was...
No bad thing though, as they are unlikely to sell it there with a small diesel, so we may have either an option between two, or at least a medium sized lump that would satisfy both markets?

It's an odd market for sure.

Don't know about LRs but with BMWs, they have the 335d (no other diesel) but with a bit less power and...this is amusing... it needs UREA added to the fuel to keep it running properly!!

Many are crying out for smaller, more efficient engines but they just won't send them over! Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.

1st Nov 2011 1:16pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Would the UREA have something to do with the DPF and keeping it clean? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

1st Nov 2011 10:13pm

lrmaniac

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Lisboa
Posts: 762

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green

http://www.insideline.com/land-rover/defen...world.html

"Overall, the reaction to DC100 reinforced what we wanted to do and told us that we're pretty much on the right track."

I wonder where he read the feedback from ??!!

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Joao

'10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC
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'69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD
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9th Nov 2011 7:37pm

Setok

Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 422

lrmaniac wrote:
http://www.insideline.com/land-rover/defen...world.html

"Overall, the reaction to DC100 reinforced what we wanted to do and told us that we're pretty much on the right track."

Are they for real? The reaction in most places I looked (Facebook, article comments, forums) was really negative. But I guess that could also be a nice way of saying "We'll have to change most of the concept, but a new Defender will come!". I mean, I guess the 'right track' could be considered the need to update the Defender

Still, so as not to be overly negative, I think LR can fix it if they want to. A reinterpretation of the Defender is pretty much what we want. But the first version of the concept was lacking a lot of that Landy feel.

9th Nov 2011 7:45pm

DefenderOfTheEarth

Member Since: 09 Nov 2010
Location: Cornwall, UK
Posts: 1304

spudfan wrote:
Would the UREA have something to do with the DPF and keeping it clean?

Yep. Their diesel is lower grade than ours Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.

10th Nov 2011 7:52am

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

jav-uk wrote:
Rumor: Revised DC100 to be shown at LA motoshow mid Nov. Looks like DC100 will be targeting US customers.
Time to speculate on changes. Big fat juicy petrol V8 anyone?

Autocar have spotted a 2012 FFRR with a V6 supercharged engine.........will go in chinese jags, the next sport and the DC100?

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/...rt/259912/

10th Nov 2011 8:56am

Aaron

Member Since: 09 Dec 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 46

1998 Defender 90 V8 Petrol 50th Auto Atlantis Blue

DC100 Concept Makes Middle Eastern Debut In Dubai

"Today (November 10, 2011) Land Rover's DC100 concept makes its Middle Eastern Debut at the 2011 Dubai International Motor Show. The DC100 concept explores the possible design and technological direction of the new Defender.

Evolved since its unveiling at Frankfurt Motor Show in September, the DC100 concept now features off-road optimised 20-inch alloy wheels with Cooper all-terrain tyres. It is finished in a distinctive colour combination of Fuji White paint with a Santorini Black roof."
http://newsroom.jaguarlandrover.com/en-in/...ow_101111/

Hardly evolved that much, they just stuck nearly normal sized off road alloys on it. However, I'm starting to like the looks of it, seems to be growing on me....this version reminds me a bit of the NAS Defender in this colour scheme

Click image to enlarge

10th Nov 2011 12:30pm

DefenderOfTheEarth

Member Since: 09 Nov 2010
Location: Cornwall, UK
Posts: 1304

Hmmm - not bad.

Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.

10th Nov 2011 1:05pm

SteveT247

Member Since: 21 Feb 2011
Location: Central
Posts: 491

2002 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

I can't say the revised styling does much for me to be honest.

10th Nov 2011 2:45pm

lrmaniac

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Lisboa
Posts: 762

Like the color scheme ... the wheels are ok ... better than the early concept ones

The rest is the same ... crap ... Still don't like it ... Hate those rear lights, the whole front, the doors ...

It still looks like a regular, characterless japanese (or other) SUV ... It still doesn's look like a capable 4x4 ...

10th Nov 2011 4:14pm

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