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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762   
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Yes I remember ... And as I said I hope BigMike is right ... And I hope we're all making a storm on a glass of water ...
But saying production ready and concept, together in the same phrase, or better, production ready concept as the phrase, is something I find hard to understand! So when they now say it's only a concept, I have some reluctance to believe that ... Regards Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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14th Sep 2011 2:58pm |
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| pcoote Member Since: 01 Aug 2010 Location: Oxford Posts: 83  
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Check this out click here Last edited by pcoote on 15th Sep 2011 10:34am. Edited 1 time in total |
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15th Sep 2011 10:00am |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935  
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That's better, going in the right direction.  LANDYWATCH
Neighbourhood Watch for Land Rover Owners http://www.landywatch.co.uk/smf2/index.php |
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15th Sep 2011 10:26am |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762
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well written too ...
http://moretimespace.wordpress.com/2011/09...and-rover/ Regards Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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15th Sep 2011 4:55pm |
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| twopoint6khz Member Since: 18 Aug 2011 Location: North Lakes Posts: 654 
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Plenty of interesting stuff here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motor-...rview.html Well, interesting in the same way banging your head against a wall is interesting. This, depressingly, is the crux of it:
IMHO 'form follows function' is the definition of the Defender. To make it a stylistically-led project is to totally abandon the essence of it. And to say that form following function is an obsolete idea - what?! Is he trying to say that modern man is shallow and easily swayed by pretty but useless things? He's right of course, on the whole, but not in terms of the market the Defender has been aimed at. I also don't like the way he separates design and engineering as two competing things. As a design engineer I have to make things that work well, fulfil their intended function and are ergonomic, as well as appealing to customers aesthetically. But if you make a product that's all talk and no trousers, it'll flop. In the case of the Defender, your customer is utility companies, farmers, off-roaders, overlanders etc and they are likely to place a lot more weight on function than appearance! Which means LR are basically abandoning their original market and going after a new one. Which is fine... but calling it a Defender is a cynical cashing-in exercise, as hinted at by the  about "evoking the spirit of adventure" and all that.
Ironically it will backfire, because the reason the Defender is 'cool' and 'iconic' is because it is such a workhorse. The next one will be a hollow lifestyle accessory and so not 'cool' or 'iconic' in the slightest. Oh and we're now "traditionalists" apparently. Thanks Gerry. |
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15th Sep 2011 8:22pm |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 422 
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It's interesting how they use a lot of negative words up front to refer to the people who will ultimately not like the design. There has been outpourings everywhere, but of course those people don't matter as they're all just stuffy traditionalists. Well, sorry we gave you our money!
I also agree very firmly about the points about design and engineering not being separate. Truly good design is functional (a lot of people don't realise that, and end up with 'design' items which are horrible to use). For me the biggest appeal in a Landy is that it doesn't try to be something it is not. It doesn't want or need to be fashionable. That's what makes it so iconic and what people immediately connect to when they hear "Land Rover". It's the reason some people love army surplus. You free yourself from meaningless labels and pointless design details, and get to wear something which is constructed to do a job. |
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15th Sep 2011 10:55pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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16th Sep 2011 4:46am |
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| jav-uk Member Since: 29 Mar 2010 Location: Shropshire Posts: 112  
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Thanks for the pics Ken.
A van, station wagon and a uggghhhhhh. Me thinks the DC100 is more than a concept. I have read it is using Air Suspension, I hope this gets dropped or is optional. |
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16th Sep 2011 9:58am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Apart from bearing very little resemblance to the current Defender, they are interesting looking vehicles. The excellent pcitures of the real things do show that they certainly have presence. However, the very first thing that strikes me is how vulnerable to damage the front end is - particularly those wings that curver right down in front of the wheels.
Other than that, apart from the ridiculous wheels, the arches don't look big enough to accomodate serious suspension travel. Perhaps LR are planning to rely on traction control electrickery to make up for the shortfall, in the same way that Mercedes does with lockers on the G Wagon? Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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16th Sep 2011 10:17am |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789 
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The unfortunate thing that we have to face up to is that the Defender is no longer the vehicle of choice for Farmers, emergency organisations, Overlanders, utility companies, offroaders. It has been left behind on price, reliability, economy, load carrying space.
How many guns did you see in the Libya conflict welded to the back of Land Rovers, at one time it would have all been land rovers. How many Farmers are using new Defenders as opposed to Jap pickups. Original Member Pie n Pea Club. 110 HCPU Tipper |
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16th Sep 2011 10:24am |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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Farmers choice the Dacia Duster
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16th Sep 2011 10:52am |
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| markalpha Member Since: 23 Apr 2008 Location: Downham Market Posts: 690 
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Looks alot better in the flesh. Let hope it does what a defender should do!
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16th Sep 2011 10:55am |
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| farmer giles Member Since: 09 Feb 2011 Location: worcestershire Posts: 1299 
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don't make me buy one ken, please don't |
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16th Sep 2011 11:54am |
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| farmer giles Member Since: 09 Feb 2011 Location: worcestershire Posts: 1299
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there is still a huge world wide market for defenders.
why did everyone on here spend £20-£30k on their one? why didn't we buy a freelander? why didn't we buy a disco (commercial or otherwise)? both for the same money that we paid on the defender. keep it simple land rover - thats what is wanted |
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16th Sep 2011 11:59am |
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