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Clutch issues

Not had any clutch issues

47%

[42]

Clutch has been changed once and no more issues

29%

[26]

I have had more than one clutch

13%

[12]

I have had more than one clutch and on going clutch issues

10%

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AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Going into the dealers Friday.

This is a list I just emailed to the dealer.

1. The vehicle keeps going into limp home. (a re-start temporarily sorts this).
2. Rough or lumpy tick over (had this from new).
3. Sometimes when idling the engine revs increase and decrease on its own or hunts (had this from new).
4. Irregular response from the engine when accelerator is released, sometimes the revs stay high so the vehicle drives its self, sometimes it shuts off completely inducing heavy engine breaking, sometimes it acts normally and slows gradually as it should.
5. The vehicle 'kangaroos' down the road when the accelerator is released. This issue has improved since the last visit but it's still doing it.
6. Lots of slack in the transmission (perhaps caused by the kangarooing has this caused excessive wear that needs to be addressed).
7. Clutch noise again ?.
8. Rattle in 5th gear at 59 - 61 mph (this still has not been resolved). 130's have feeling's as well you know

23rd Feb 2011 4:09pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2416

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

I guess you do not have a code reader? Puma 110" SW

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23rd Feb 2011 4:13pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

I have but at this point in time my patience with the dealer and the vehicle is running out. I will not be accepting the vehicle back until all of the issues are resolved or there is a plan in place to get things resolved.

I have purpose built this vehicle to carry out a specific job. To date its not earning is keep as its been in the dealers more than I have had it on site. I would be better off sticking a TDV8 with auto box and beefing up the drive train.

Rant over 130's have feeling's as well you know

24th Feb 2011 9:20am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2416

Been there. Very frustrating to deal with "dealers" as they are not very capable. Puma 110" SW

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24th Feb 2011 9:32am

JMS

Member Since: 05 Mar 2010
Location: Isle of Wight
Posts: 40

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

AndrewS wrote:
Going into the dealers Friday.

This is a list I just emailed to the dealer.

1. The vehicle keeps going into limp home. (a re-start temporarily sorts this).
2. Rough or lumpy tick over (had this from new).
3. Sometimes when idling the engine revs increase and decrease on its own or hunts (had this from new).
4. Irregular response from the engine when accelerator is released, sometimes the revs stay high so the vehicle drives its self, sometimes it shuts off completely inducing heavy engine breaking, sometimes it acts normally and slows gradually as it should.
5. The vehicle 'kangaroos' down the road when the accelerator is released. This issue has improved since the last visit but it's still doing it.
6. Lots of slack in the transmission (perhaps caused by the kangarooing has this caused excessive wear that needs to be addressed).
7. Clutch noise again ?.
8. Rattle in 5th gear at 59 - 61 mph (this still has not been resolved).

Very interesting. i started experiencing item 3 after a LR ECU update last year and it was getting worse so booked in to get looked at. Got the car back on Friday after yet another ECU update, injector re-program (as they were out) and some Pilot correction thing???
Now i have item 2,4,5. I have not driven far enough or long enough to get item 3 but to be fair that might have been fixed...

BACK ON TOPIC The clutch however has done 22k miles and is ok! (now i have said that it will be broken tomorrow

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27th Feb 2011 11:10pm

willy eckerslike

Member Since: 15 Jun 2009
Location: North yorks
Posts: 1789

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Keswick Green

Pretty disappointing Andrew considering how much time and effort yourselves put into your vehicles let alone money. It seems that since we went electrical then there is no two engines the same. My DCPU is very smooth and quiet and drives witrh no problems engine wise. It still has the usual drive train clunk and I'm pretty sure it'll need a clutch before too long. My 90 (tune on it) has a noisier engine but a nice tight drive train. I hope that they get Jlo sorted to how she should be. How is Lara in comparison. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
110 HCPU Tipper

28th Feb 2011 8:33am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2416

Anybody contacted LR customer service? I did it by fax (I`m overseas) and got no asnwer at all

. I was specifically enquiring about the clutch. Puma 110" SW

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28th Feb 2011 9:03am

Cheshire110

Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
Location: Cheshire/London
Posts: 2755

veeeeery old topic i know, and new poster (hi)

I have a '10 2.4 110 and its just about to have its 3rd (i.e.. second change) clutch. Just wondering if anything further was established about the cause of tdci's chewing clutches and if theres a way to fix it?

Also - did people find that the clutch could be changed under warranty or not? doesnt look like mine will be!

Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwardsâ€¦ Daily is a 110 V8.

26th Jul 2013 8:26am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

My clutches were changed under warranty and there was a modified part that certainly for the remaining time i had my defender for, seemed to cure it Mike

26th Jul 2013 8:32am

Cheshire110

Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
Location: Cheshire/London
Posts: 2755

mse wrote:
My clutches were changed under warranty and there was a modified part that certainly for the remaining time i had my defender for, seemed to cure it

do you have any more information please? i would VERY much like to be able to trust my clutch in the future! Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwardsâ€¦ Daily is a 110 V8.

26th Jul 2013 8:34am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2416

AFAIK new friction plates have a glossy golden look on the metal. Make sure you are not getting the outdated stuff. Puma 110" SW

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26th Jul 2013 11:41am

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

davidwhittaker wrote:
mse wrote:
My clutches were changed under warranty and there was a modified part that certainly for the remaining time i had my defender for, seemed to cure it

do you have any more information please? i would VERY much like to be able to trust my clutch in the future!

You should get it replaced under warranty, if not then ask for a good will gesture from LR, call customer care be polite and they may pay a large %

As far as the replacement parts are concerned they should fit the latest modified version, clearly a false economy to fit out dated older parts

11th Aug 2013 8:31am

landybehr

Member Since: 17 Apr 2013
Location: -D-
Posts: 173

follow the links - there´s a pdf to look at:

http://www.blacklandy.eu/blboard/forum/sho...post938468

sorry > EDIT = pdf can only be opened if registered.
No help then for you. There are pics of the different clutches. It´s a service bulletin, IIRC.

12th Aug 2013 8:44pm

Andy80

Member Since: 31 May 2013
Location: Essex
Posts: 490

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Cairns Blue

MK wrote:
It is not an easy job. Basically there is no room for thicker springs as they would touch the flywheel. And if there was any, then the friction plate would start to slip. And to avoid that then you would need to have a friction plate with bigger surface and replace the pressure plate and then.......better to get a vehicle which is not a mix between a pig and a parrot.

Some builders use rubber "studs" instead of coil springs.

Bottom line: this engine was not developed for the Defender.

I've just been reading this thread and thought I would comment, Mk is correct with his summary saying about the development as back in mid 2004 ,I was asked by the company I worked for to visit Rousch Developments. They were building two mule td5 defenders to take tdci engine for Solihull, At the time the development engineer was unhappy with the characteristics of the engine to be suitable in a defender with torque and vibrtation issues from the outset....... Working towards Carry on camping!

18th Aug 2013 8:02am

landybehr

Member Since: 17 Apr 2013
Location: -D-
Posts: 173

Andy80 wrote:
Bottom line: this engine was not developed for the Defender.

I´m not sure I fully understand.
The fault lies in the friction plate, doesn´t it. Is this part specifically designed for the Defender ? Even if so (how does it influence vibration issues? (*)). The space provided is defined by the flywheel and bellhousing/gearbox. What I want to say is - if there is a setup which runs (don´t know much about the Transits. But their main utilisation might imply that the clutch cannot be accepted to be a weak point) without problems in the "donor vehicle" i.e. Ford Transit - then why does it start to spell trouble in the Defender. Furthermore to my knowledge it´s the early 2.4 Defender only to suffer. Later 2.4 and all 2.2 don´t (but I wouldn´t put my hand on the bible for that). It is completely hypothetical but I´d say that LR tried to make the clutch easier to operate and used a different clutch setup. Later they turned to a H/D setup, being standard on the parcel-service-Transits. No more faults, but less comfortable to use. Although it cannot be only the friction plate that was being changed. I need to repeat - fully hypothetical. Please do not spread the word unless someone with firm knowledge says sth. similar. Or, just as good, tell me it´s rubbish.

(*) and after all - transferring engines to other vehicles is not totally uncommon. I, personally, think that a commercial vehicle like the Transit wasn´t the most unsuitable donor. Nissan had taken a much worse choice with the 2.8 6cylinder passenger car Diesel some 20 years ago.

19th Aug 2013 7:49pm

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