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natyeo



Member Since: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Bentham
Posts: 136

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Santorini Black
New 2012
2.2
No
1st 17,212
(Replaced under warranty, std fitted)
2nd 42,452
(Replaced under warranty , std type fitted)
3rd 56,897
(Replaced under warranty, std type fitted)
4th 69,522
Replaced with Ashcroft Mk 1 version)
Note no play but started leaking 105914
5th Spoke to Ashcroft, who said there had been a improved cover cup, they supplied that with new cup coupling
Local garage fitted 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb
2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility
1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going
1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms
1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D,
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natyeo



Member Since: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Bentham
Posts: 136

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Santorini Black
New 2014
2.2
Yes
122,367 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb
2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility
1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going
1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms
1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D,
Post #888354 28th Feb 2021 9:12pm
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DSC-off



Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1396

United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Hi Nat, of all the replies to the survey we have, your update is one the most interesting yet. Thumbs Up

Your 2012 Defender had a history of rapidly wearing out standard shafts at an average of 17,375 miles each.
1st, 17,200 miles
2nd, 25,200 miles
3rd, 14,500 miles
4th, 12,600 miles
Then on changing to the Ashcroft "Mk1" kit, it lasted 36,400 miles before it developed an oil leak. NOTE , it did not wear out or break the splines.

The significant thing is the Ashcroft kit lasted more than double the time a standard shaft would have, and it still didn't break.
At last, we have some figures that back up our hopes of a real fix.
Personally, I think the oil leak was a result of the same cause of the previous shaft failures, and again points to an alignment issue with the gearbox / transfer box.

Your other Defender, 2014 MY, is at the other end of the scale with 122,000 miles on the original shaft. Proof that they can last a long time.

Thanks for sending in those figures.
Cheers, Jason Very Happy
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natyeo



Member Since: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Bentham
Posts: 136

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Santorini Black
New 2010
2.4
Yes
18,765
Note but was starting to clunck!

But sold only ran for 24 months 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb
2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility
1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going
1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms
1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D,
Post #888394 1st Mar 2021 8:42am
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Julie



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: Nantes
Posts: 467

France 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
DSC-off wrote:
Then on changing to the Ashcroft "Mk1" kit, it lasted 36,400 miles before it developed an oil leak. NOTE , it did not wear out or break the splines.


I had mine changed at a retailer's. I'm fully satisfied. 2x MOT - no oil leak detected

Perhaps I shouldn't have said that Confused

30000 kms on that one
On a 110 2.2 L - MY2012
Post #888520 1st Mar 2021 7:46pm
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Howard



Member Since: 06 Nov 2012
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 41

United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 PU Alpine White
I purchased a new defender in 2012. The shaft failed on a trip to France at around 10,000 miles. After many problems with the truck it was sold back to Hartwells Oxford.

We now have a 2010 which has covered 151,000 miles, it has a new clutch, new Ashcroft gearbox, Ashcroft transfer box and a Ashcroft rear diff and drive shafts. The gear box has the updated output shaft. It also has many other parts replaced replaced.

This weekend I am going to fit the Glynn Lewis drag and track rod upgrade ready for its MoT.

Why do we bother with such poorly built vehicles.

My wife has a 2010 vw Toureag which has covered 125000 miles. The only thing that’s gone wrong is a boot latch.
Post #889354 5th Mar 2021 10:59pm
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stick



Member Since: 11 Mar 2018
Location: hants
Posts: 6

United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
2012
2.2
Failed at 54,00 miles
Replaced with Ashcroft.
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Dinnu



Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3404

Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
natyeo wrote:
New 2012
2.2
No
1st 17,212
(Replaced under warranty, std fitted)
2nd 42,452
(Replaced under warranty , std type fitted)
3rd 56,897
(Replaced under warranty, std type fitted)
4th 69,522
Replaced with Ashcroft Mk 1 version)
Note no play but started leaking 105914
5th Spoke to Ashcroft, who said there had been a improved cover cup, they supplied that with new cup coupling
Local garage fitted


Adding to the history:

6th at about 111k because it was still leaking. The splines that commonly fail were still as new, but the splines on the female adaptor that go on the gearbox output shaft had considerable wear. The gearbox output shaft has some minor wear too, but usable. The output shaft wear started after installing the modified female adapter, as 2 of the splines on the gearbox output shaft were still intact. Replaced female coupling only.

Knowing the history of the Defender, measured the planarity of the faces of the adaptor housing. Max deviation at about 100microns (0.10mm), which is not a lot to me. All dowels still good. No idea how I could measure offset between gbox and tcase.

With its new yearly milage, interpolation data shows that current shaft will last another 15 years. So Im fine with that Thumbs Up 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4643

Ireland 
2008 2.4 190.000 kms, still on origional shaft. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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foggydave



Member Since: 29 Nov 2012
Location: Midlands
Posts: 263

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Bonatti Grey
2014
2.2
N
4 45k

Clutch rattle and judder prompted clutch replacement. Upon splitting g/box and trans/box the output shaft splines were dry and found to be worn with copius amounts of red dust. Spline degridation was evident. Also flywheel had too much corrosion to be rescued by refacing.

New LOF flywheel, clutch and g/box extreme output shaft fitted. Thanks to Luke at LOF for his help and guidance.
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Pacha



Member Since: 23 Feb 2020
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 772

United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
2008 2.4 TDCi - 55,000 miles, original shaft (no issues currently). Rgds.

Chris
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PCM



Member Since: 25 Jan 2019
Location: North East
Posts: 868

United Kingdom 
2014
2.2
N
34000

Changed to a new original at 34000 due to a massive clunk. Splines were like waves.


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PCM



Member Since: 25 Jan 2019
Location: North East
Posts: 868

United Kingdom 
Sold first car.
Bought a second

2014
2.2
Y
25000

Still original unit however the clunk is there...
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jpboost



Member Since: 13 Apr 2021
Location: Gatwick
Posts: 377

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Mine's a 2014 2.2 TDCI 74,000 miles and from what I see from it's history, it's still on the original shaft.

But it does have quite a lot of drivetrain slack. The rear drive flanges are definitely worn, so will replace those with 1 piece shafts first, and then see how bad it is.

I've still got clunking after that, then I'll change it as a precaution. My mate's (2015 2.2) 90 left him stranded on a motorway slip road when the output shaft let go, and I don't fancy that!
Post #905329 27th May 2021 3:26pm
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Gleo



Member Since: 01 Mar 2016
Location: Mayo
Posts: 43

Isle Of Man 
New 2015 - Puma 2.2 90 Hard Top
Wear visible on the shaft as per attached picture
Currently replacing the MT82 Output shaft with an LoF clutches single piece until once they come back into stock in June.


Click image to enlarge
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