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| natyeo Member Since: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Bentham Posts: 136   
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New 2014
2.2 Yes 122,367 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb 2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility 1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going 1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms 1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D, |
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28th Feb 2021 9:12pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1397 
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Hi Nat, of all the replies to the survey we have, your update is one the most interesting yet.
Your 2012 Defender had a history of rapidly wearing out standard shafts at an average of 17,375 miles each. 1st, 17,200 miles 2nd, 25,200 miles 3rd, 14,500 miles 4th, 12,600 miles Then on changing to the Ashcroft "Mk1" kit, it lasted 36,400 miles before it developed an oil leak. NOTE , it did not wear out or break the splines. The significant thing is the Ashcroft kit lasted more than double the time a standard shaft would have, and it still didn't break. At last, we have some figures that back up our hopes of a real fix. Personally, I think the oil leak was a result of the same cause of the previous shaft failures, and again points to an alignment issue with the gearbox / transfer box. Your other Defender, 2014 MY, is at the other end of the scale with 122,000 miles on the original shaft. Proof that they can last a long time. Thanks for sending in those figures. Cheers, Jason  |
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1st Mar 2021 12:58am |
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| natyeo Member Since: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Bentham Posts: 136
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New 2010
2.4 Yes 18,765 Note but was starting to clunck! But sold only ran for 24 months 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb 2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility 1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going 1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms 1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D, |
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1st Mar 2021 8:42am |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 472  
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I had mine changed at a retailer's. I'm fully satisfied. 2x MOT - no oil leak detected Perhaps I shouldn't have said that 
30000 kms on that one On a 110 2.2 L - MY2012 |
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1st Mar 2021 7:46pm |
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| Howard Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 41 
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I purchased a new defender in 2012. The shaft failed on a trip to France at around 10,000 miles. After many problems with the truck it was sold back to Hartwells Oxford.
We now have a 2010 which has covered 151,000 miles, it has a new clutch, new Ashcroft gearbox, Ashcroft transfer box and a Ashcroft rear diff and drive shafts. The gear box has the updated output shaft. It also has many other parts replaced replaced. This weekend I am going to fit the Glynn Lewis drag and track rod upgrade ready for its MoT. Why do we bother with such poorly built vehicles. My wife has a 2010 vw Toureag which has covered 125000 miles. The only thing that’s gone wrong is a boot latch. |
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5th Mar 2021 10:59pm |
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| stick Member Since: 11 Mar 2018 Location: hants Posts: 6 
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2012
2.2 Failed at 54,00 miles Replaced with Ashcroft. |
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22nd Apr 2021 4:35pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3406  
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Adding to the history: 6th at about 111k because it was still leaking. The splines that commonly fail were still as new, but the splines on the female adaptor that go on the gearbox output shaft had considerable wear. The gearbox output shaft has some minor wear too, but usable. The output shaft wear started after installing the modified female adapter, as 2 of the splines on the gearbox output shaft were still intact. Replaced female coupling only. Knowing the history of the Defender, measured the planarity of the faces of the adaptor housing. Max deviation at about 100microns (0.10mm), which is not a lot to me. All dowels still good. No idea how I could measure offset between gbox and tcase. With its new yearly milage, interpolation data shows that current shaft will last another 15 years. So Im fine with that 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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22nd Apr 2021 8:08pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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2008 2.4 190.000 kms, still on origional shaft. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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25th Apr 2021 10:29pm |
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| foggydave Member Since: 29 Nov 2012 Location: Midlands Posts: 263 
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2014
2.2 N 4 45k Clutch rattle and judder prompted clutch replacement. Upon splitting g/box and trans/box the output shaft splines were dry and found to be worn with copius amounts of red dust. Spline degridation was evident. Also flywheel had too much corrosion to be rescued by refacing. New LOF flywheel, clutch and g/box extreme output shaft fitted. Thanks to Luke at LOF for his help and guidance. |
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21st May 2021 5:24pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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2008 2.4 TDCi - 55,000 miles, original shaft (no issues currently). Rgds.
Chris |
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21st May 2021 6:55pm |
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| PCM Member Since: 25 Jan 2019 Location: North East Posts: 868
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2014
2.2 N 34000 Changed to a new original at 34000 due to a massive clunk. Splines were like waves.  |
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21st May 2021 8:01pm |
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| PCM Member Since: 25 Jan 2019 Location: North East Posts: 868
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Sold first car.
Bought a second 2014 2.2 Y 25000 Still original unit however the clunk is there... |
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21st May 2021 8:03pm |
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| jpboost Member Since: 13 Apr 2021 Location: Gatwick Posts: 377
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Mine's a 2014 2.2 TDCI 74,000 miles and from what I see from it's history, it's still on the original shaft.
But it does have quite a lot of drivetrain slack. The rear drive flanges are definitely worn, so will replace those with 1 piece shafts first, and then see how bad it is. I've still got clunking after that, then I'll change it as a precaution. My mate's (2015 2.2) 90 left him stranded on a motorway slip road when the output shaft let go, and I don't fancy that! |
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27th May 2021 3:26pm |
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| Gleo Member Since: 01 Mar 2016 Location: Mayo Posts: 43 
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New 2015 - Puma 2.2 90 Hard Top
Wear visible on the shaft as per attached picture Currently replacing the MT82 Output shaft with an LoF clutches single piece until once they come back into stock in June. Click image to enlarge |
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31st May 2021 8:45am |
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