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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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If you have more on why that is, can you share it please? |
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26th Oct 2022 11:45am |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1392 
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It's not possible to comment further.
Packaging label for a front axle case,  |
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26th Oct 2022 12:14pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17312 
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That's interesting, thank you. How recent is that axle case?
I suppose it is just possible that when the classic Defender went out of production manufacture returned to a UK supplier, that is assuming manufacture has continued of course. Is there any chance of a photo of the welds on the axle that was in that packaging? The LR engineer with whom Payney1000 spoke may have been mistaken about the Indian production business, but he may have been told that this was the case. It may be that manufacture was simply outsourced/transferred to a cheaper UK supplier. All interesting stuff, it all helps build up a picture, and it isn't a pretty one. |
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26th Oct 2022 1:58pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1392
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The label picture was taken from the ebay listing, link below.
The date on the label is 2018, so it was packed in 2018 or later. That's no definite indication of when it was actually made. The end flanges are clearly MIG welded,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165553734575?va...1bEALw_wcB |
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26th Oct 2022 2:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17312
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Thank you, as you say clearly MIG welded.
I wonder how you can distinguish a bad MIG welded axle from a good one... |
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26th Oct 2022 3:04pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3399  
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You cannot really distinguish from "bad" to "not bad enough"  FW is always superior.
Cheaper (excluding shipping and duty/vat) and good one here: http://www.serwis-lr.pl/pl/p/Obudowa-mostu...FENDER/731 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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26th Oct 2022 3:12pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2617  
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I am sure that Gerry and JLR really care and have you best interests at heart.
I am sure that there is a good replacement here somewhere Click image to enlarge Failing that expect a £50 voucher towards a new Defender in the post...  |
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26th Oct 2022 4:00pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17312
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Ironically since those all appear to be military vehicles probably every single one has a reinforced axle case which is many times stronger than the ones we've been discussing.
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26th Oct 2022 6:53pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 863  
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I crawled under my truck today and my 2011 Chassis No BA4084XX - within the “suspect” range - has a quite substantial single weld each side, rather than the double row seen on some axles.
It was recalled for the “emergency” supporting brackets to be fitted by the dealer (the gear lever recall was also carried out by the dealer, but they ended up in addition changing the complete clutch - springs had broken - and transfer box shaft and flange because "the splines had flattened off") but I’ve only realised the full axle background through this thread. I’m not particularly worried, and I’m confident that the brackets are sturdy enough for the job they’re intended to do... But I really do wonder what JLR would do if ever the weld(s) do give way, this being a fault known from the start. Compare the action of Morgan, on discovering a problem with the brakes on the model succeeding the “classic” Mog with ladder chassis frame, the owner of every single car was contacted to be advised not to drive the vehicle until it had been taken back to the dealer for rectification (p....d off some who had just bought a brand new car, of course!). Peter |
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26th Oct 2022 7:56pm |
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| HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila Posts: 729  
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I believe my front axle (2011 D110) is affected, presuming I referenced the VIN correctly.
Welds seem to be holding (I have now jinxed myself) and am planning to install the brackets when funds make themselves available. If we were to replace the front axle with a more durable and dependable one, which axle should we be considering on purchasing? |
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27th Oct 2022 3:12am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3399
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^^^^ I have sourced myself a late Discovery 1 axle tube (wider radius arm brackets). But still on my 'to do list'. Actually not done yet because I want to replace the panhard rod brackets to be as per 2002 onward axles, which YRM can also supply - example https://yrmit.co.uk/product/lhs-front-axle-panhard-2-2/
Unfortunately shipping these to my location makes their price 3x. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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27th Oct 2022 5:02am |
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| Payney1000 Member Since: 16 Feb 2022 Location: Brittany Posts: 24 
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To be honest, I would not trust anything they have said in the past regarding this topic from landrover.
I don't even trust the group of Vin and age they have done on this EU recall. The inspectors, engineers and the Lab bunnies' can only go by that group because my axle was in that group during testing, 23,000 euros of testing. The details of the vin and groups were requested by a court from Landrover and they dragged there feet. After what I am seeing daily on this case with my legal team I would not trust a word they say sorry !!! Reference to the quote earlier with the 2018 axle box saying made in UK. This is also interesting because the material can be formed and welded in India but final assembly ( painted and packed in the UK ) falls under final assembly UK origin. This is quoted on the UK government site regarding tax groups ( Landrover don't currently have very little information on the tracking of these axles fitted on are vehicles ) This is what makes this problem even bigger!!! Plus it was proven during the lab test on my axle that yes the age group 2012-2013 etc. Now but as the lab engineer said give in 3 years it will be 2015-2016 group. that's the worrying part. (Its Landrover that needs to prove to every single owner that their vehicle is not effected But you need them to show you prove in writing, They will not put this in writing because they just don't know because of the mess its all in ) That's your legal standing. |
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27th Oct 2022 1:44pm |
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| Blue Member Since: 13 Aug 2019 Location: UK Posts: 43 
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Yeah, not sure the country of orgin can be 100% relied upon on those LR labels... e.g. |
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27th Oct 2022 6:50pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4636 
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Regarding this fight that "Payney1000" is waging on our behalf. I do not know the ins and outs of it but I am sure that there is a heavy financial cost involved. As this will (hopefully) benefit us all I was thinking that perhaps we could contribute financially to help fund this fight.
Anyway that is the idea if anyone would like to run with this perhaps we could set something up. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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27th Oct 2022 6:54pm |
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