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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2656  
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Land Rover are well aware of the issue. The fact that they have only technically issued a recall for 110/130 vehicles doesn't mean that they don't know it also applies to 90 models - I guarantee they are not that naïve. The axle casing is the same across all models, and they will know which ones are affected. This will include 90s, however I suspect they felt that the risk was lower with those (for whatever reason) and so didn't include them in the recall. Same kind of thing as how they will replace the axle casing on a vehicle fitted with HD suspension, but only fit a bracket bodge to one without - it's an assessment of risk given the likely usage pattern of the vehicle. So given the above the only reason to go back to Land Rover would be to either A. claim a new axle (which they're not going to do as the OP is not covered by the recall and has already carried out his own repair - voiding any implied 'warranty') or B. claim some kind of recompense or compensation (again, they will just fob you off). |
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13th Jul 2017 1:57pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720  
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It's still worth telling them, should someone else then have an accident as a result of a failed axle on a 90, they can't then turn around and say they've never come across any failures on 90's. They could obviously still try, but then someone at VW also said they weren't aware of emissions cheat devices....
It maybe that out of a batch of axles they discovered to be faulty they all went onto 110's and 130's. It's quite possible they just had a period where they didn't build any 90's. Lets say they order batches of axles to last them for a day's build and on that given day they didn't build any 90's. Or it's possible the only complaints they received were for 110's and 130's, so it was then assumed that the welds on the dud batch of axles were still strong enough for 90's with their lower weight. They may well have already had 3 or 4 complaints from owners of 90's but are waiting to see if they get one more before they trigger a recall. I would assume they have a trigger level, they're not going to spend hundreds of thousands on a recall for the sake of one complain, but maybe they do once they get 5, 6, 10, for all we know they've already had 9 and one more forces them to act. To just say oh well i wont get anything out of it so i wont bother telling them, is in my opinion a very selfish attitude to have. |
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13th Jul 2017 4:24pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 
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Well said, zsd-puma!
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13th Jul 2017 5:22pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3643 
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thanks found them and purchased a pair for some peace of mind although the biggest thing I cross is the odd 4 inch curb DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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13th Jul 2017 6:10pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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i'm surprised no one is selling them as extra re-enforcements or under guards anyway. To go with diff guards, steering guards, under trays etc.
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13th Jul 2017 7:03pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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After a couple of weeks talking to various people at JLR customer services I can honestly say they don't care / not interested.
90's are not in the remit of the recall end of story. If I want to take it any further I can take it back to the dealer, have a new axle casing fitted at my expense and raise a quality warranty case that they would look at after inspecting the axle, as I have repaired it by grinding the original weld out and re-welding it properly they doubt that they would cover the costs especially as the vehicle is 5 yrs old and no longer a current model. Turn your back customer service that is, in my mind. I will take it back to the dealers and get them to stick their head under it and poss try to raise a quality claim before the work is done, I doubt this will happen. Brighter news, I keep inspecting it every weekend with dye penetrant spray and my welds are looking good, I was dreading a crack appearing at the edge as I did hit it quite hard with the mig turned right up. I will let you all know more as and when anything happens but I think the case is dead and if you have a 90 keep an eye on this and weld it up as soon as you see an oil leak even the smallest hint. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough. Every Day 16 MY Discovery 4 Commercial Workshop and Escort Vehicle Weekends 07MY L322 TDV8 Vogue SE Series 1 80" 3ltr 6cyl with overdrive No Worries 4X4 |
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29th Jul 2017 3:57pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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Shocking, really shocking, and sadly just what one would expect.
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29th Jul 2017 5:51pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2420  
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What is the purpose of these brackets: keep the broken end bolted to the axle casing or ro avoid the crack?
 Puma 110" SW
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28th Oct 2018 9:59am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Axle manufacturing process changed post 06 and LR will not omit that its
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28th Oct 2018 11:57am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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The brackets prevent the hub assembly coming right off if the axle fails. I fitted a pair this weekend!
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28th Oct 2018 12:03pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3643
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just reminded me I better get mine fitted they have sat in the shed since I brought them DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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28th Oct 2018 7:07pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1786  
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This is really very poor of LR - just shows the contempt they feel for the defender and its drivers.
There are loads of recalls from other manufacturers in the press for much lower risk faults, perhaps these others faults the manufacturer involved can pass costs onto the supplier and the axle is a LR part and they would have to take all costs on the chin? As another poster has said, lets hope no one is hurt if one fails, but if they are lets hope its the person who makes the final decision on the recall, that would be ironic! |
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28th Oct 2018 8:14pm |
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| ozy013 Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Melbourne Posts: 105  
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I was just watching the travels of Leigh and Steph on Youtube
. I've been following them for awhile, and their videos are very well presented. Anyway right at the end of their most recent video in the mountains of Krgyzstan, this happened.......  Click image to enlarge It was snowing and icy, I'm glad their ok, but things could've ended far worse. It still shocks me that LR, won't take responsibility for the poor quality of their product. Does someone have to die before they do anything? |
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24th May 2019 10:57pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2420
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Looks like the swivel housing, not the dodgy welding? Shocking
I am wondering if it was an aftermarket one or factory piece. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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25th May 2019 10:58am |
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