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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4704  
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Yeah, the South Sandwich Island would be well known for their heavy engineering expertise.... 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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27th Oct 2022 6:57pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2166  
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Is that when it has returned to its component parts............
Cough "RUST" Cough.......  |
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27th Oct 2022 7:23pm |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 553 
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Because they are made of cheese 🧀 |
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27th Oct 2022 7:55pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422  
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What do you expect from the Sandwich Island
 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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27th Oct 2022 8:15pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422
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My Defender is manufactured in the time period that is stated in the EU alert
 . No I am not shocked, I already know it.
The vin number is also included in the list shared by Will from LRWorkshop (although I cannot use that info as it is not official). My vin number is between vins that were recalled in Australia (mine is 90 with Heavy Duty suspension) - that is official. With this information, I paid a friendly visit to my local JLR authorized dealer. When I showed them print out of the alert, they went like this: , but the shock was more from them not knowing about it, rather than shocked on how to go about hiding something. Before even the discussion could start, they printed out the TOPIx information with my vin number showing that there were no recalls. I was not surprised, as I already checked TOPIx.
They kept saying your vehicle is not affected. I asked them to explain how my vin number falls exactly in between 2 similar vehicles that were recalled in Australia. They said you are lucky
Clearly they have no idea how manufacturing works... On advise by dear Payney1000, I asked for a letter, black on white to confirm that my axle is not defective, and I can safely use my Defender on the road. They refused, but offered that they would do a 2hr vehicle inspection at my own cost of 150 euro to check my Defender. I told them that it is insane that to check an axle weld would take 2hr. I had already omitted that they would take it for X ray inspection. For the time being I have not agreed that I need to pay to have my vehicle inspected for everything else which is not part of the scope. However, I have now paid a visit to my Insurer. I gave my insurance the documentations and what the service manager at JLR has stated. The insurance knows they are liable for third party. And driving and loosing control of a 1850kg vehicle at 60km/hr can become nasty in very busy roads. The insurance promised to followup on this. Lets see where my story goes. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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28th Oct 2022 12:24pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 
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Please do keep us posted. I wonder if the time has come to take this to the UK media.
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28th Oct 2022 1:45pm |
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| Payney1000 Member Since: 16 Feb 2022 Location: Brittany Posts: 24  
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Blackwolf,
You’re correct it’s that time, media should be informed. Sadly I was going to go down this route, but due to an open high court case with Landrover I ve been advices for me not to go to the media personally. But that does not stop anyone else. I have a contact that helped me at the start before the court stuff started. He has done many reports on Landrover. Tom Hussey from the Sun newspaper. Landrover media do not like the sun 👍😊 he pushed some touchy buttons at JLR. By all means someone go for it . I just personally cannot at the moment. I think every owner should be aware. Plus if i was aware of this it would also put me off buy a new landrover and parting with my cash. Because if they can hide something this bad, clearly there is more. |
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29th Oct 2022 9:14pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422
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I am afraid I hit 2 dead ends.
Insurance did not care. I contacted the local consumers affair authority, and gave them all the information, and they could not help. Their advise was to speak to a lawyer  1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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18th Nov 2022 11:30am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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The sad thing is that if someone suffered this failure and as a result crashed into a line of kids waiting at a bus stop or something similarly horrific, everyone would care and Landrover would be called to account.
The difference between a near-miss and a total disaster is just luck and timing. |
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18th Nov 2022 3:39pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2656 
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Indeed. For that reason if I had an affected vehicle I’d just buy another axle casing for not much money and spend a few hours swapping things over. Then you’ve got peace of mind.
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18th Nov 2022 3:56pm |
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| trevorg Member Since: 28 May 2022 Location: Aisne Posts: 51 
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If you drive a vehicle that you know to be potentially defective and you have an accident that is solely caused by that defect, does that make you liable and voids your insurance? Just a thought.
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18th Nov 2022 4:30pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4704
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Your defence would that that if Land Rover deemed it safe to drive you accepted their reassurances. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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18th Nov 2022 4:34pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422
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I would like to pursue further, but I am unsure if I have the time, or the energy to do it. It is not for myself, as I already have an axle standing by to be replaced. It is just for the safety of others... and for the point. I am afraid that there are a lot of Defender owners affected by this that are not even aware. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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18th Nov 2022 5:38pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4704
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What replacement axle will you use in place of the existing one? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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18th Nov 2022 7:12pm |
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