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Philip



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So is the trade-off between putting the engine further back (which sounds like a good thing to do) or not having to have custom-length props made?
Post #915789 6th Aug 2021 2:14pm
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mrfirepro



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United Kingdom 1996 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Bonatti Grey
With the engine in the forward position I was still looking at custom props as the TC was 60/65mm out of position.

It's an interesting question as I'm having props made anyway but I will check if the standard props now fit with the engine where it is now....

Good point....
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Linds Hanson



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Its always good to get the engine as far back as possible rear prop length (or the lack of it) being the only downside. I think the main confusion starts with the Puma engine/trans position which is critical to fit the Puma dsah/tunnel the RW parts are mainly used on early pre Puma vehicles and NAS spec V8s
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mrfirepro



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United Kingdom 1996 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Bonatti Grey
Linds your right, one of the things Nick (RW's) has mentioned is that they don’t have Pumas in the states so it's a bit different.

When I was stripping the car I didn’t pay much attention to the dims however I've had the opportunity to take some measurements from a 2007 2.4 tdci.

So this is now based an accurate comparisons.

assumptions you are using

1. An Marsland adapter chassis
2. The RW's adapter
3. The RW's bolt on mounts

Given the above the difference in TC position when compared to stock is 60mm further forward.

With the LT1 using the Hooker headers the maximum the engine can be moved back is 90mm so that there is sufficient clearance between headers and bulkhead.

Moving the engine back 90mm not surprisingly results in the TC being 30mm towards the rear from stock. The good news is that with a bit of jiggery pokery the hi/lo diff lock lever can remain in the stock position (I am making a mounting plate which bolts to the RW's adapter) relative to the trans tunnel with some minor mods in the linkages.

Perhaps if I wasn't so hell bent on additional space at the front an alternative solution would be to move the engine back 60mm and have the TC in the stock position.

I'm pleased with gaining extra clearance at the front and using the standard lever.

I'm hoping I've not missed anything, and I guess time will tell if this all works out...fingers crossed...

I've taken the engine out again and I'm going to measure the pin-to-pin dims just in case it will be of help to others.
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mrfirepro



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United Kingdom 1996 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Bonatti Grey
Finally started looking like a vehicle again, got the bulkhead in and the new mounts welded in.

One of my mistakes when fitting the trial (bare) bulkhead was not allowing the blower box, it does fit with the 90mm engine move but by luck not judgement.

Looking back at this it is looking like the 60mm move would be the optimum, this will only be known for sure if there is 30mm in the front to spare, will be interesting to see how this pans out.

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workshop is it's usual tidy self... Laughing
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Co1



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Loire Blue
Great progress, you’ll be firing it up in a couple of days eh?!
Post #917815 19th Aug 2021 6:10pm
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Linds Hanson



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Yes the dreaded Puma blower and wing duct designed by a Ford HVAC designer in a basement office without any thought of future access or removal. One of the worse designed late Defender parts along with the air cleaner base. I still think your 90mm reversed mounting position is the best option for the major components even if it means a few mods to the blower/duct housings. And just think you will be able to take those hump back bridges full speed in the knowledge that you will land flat!!
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Linds Hanson



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Dont forget to put ram boots on those Foxes otherwise the plating quickly gets damaged by stone chips
Post #918486 24th Aug 2021 8:51am
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mrfirepro



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Hi Linds, I don't think landing flat will be an option Rolling with laughter thanks for your point on the shock protectors.

I've been messing around with the blower duct and didn't pay much attention when I stripped it down. I can't see any way the duct physically connects to the blower unit, does it just sort of hang there with the foam seal?????

On another note I'm looking ahead at doors and am considering renewing my doors and have looked at the SP panel doors, but I read they are difficult to deal with and I can see they are not very customer focused as they don't have a telephone number you can call them on. So my question.......... is there another company that does the same???? who I can actually phone and speak to...
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Linds Hanson



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The intake duct is a horrible design basically being wedged between the wing intake and the blower motor housing. Its very difficult to remove with the blower and wing fitted. Dont fit any doors which arent Genuine Land Rover Puma spec. All the copy parts dont come close for fit and the Puma ones last well.
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jonny



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mrfirepro wrote:
Hi Linds, I don't think landing flat will be an option Rolling with laughter thanks for your point on the shock protectors.


It looks like you have the rear H shaped clip mounting the main body to the remote reservoir fitted to the fronts. Might just be for convenience at the moment to stop everything flapping around while there's nothing else to fix them to though!

I fitted rubber shock boots to my Fox shocks and left the bottoms open to prevent water buildup, and coated them with clear WayOxl to try and protect the bodies a bit. Thinking about it now, I'd probably put clear heatshrink over the bodies, or wrap them with something like Helitape to prevent stone chips and subsequent corrosion of the (aluminium?) shock body..
Post #918758 26th Aug 2021 9:40am
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mrfirepro



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United Kingdom 1996 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Bonatti Grey
Jonny,

I'm not at all happy with the arrangement of the front shocks, I have an option to send them back to Prolinx so they can fit a shorted hose and an elbow from the shock body similar to the arrangement on the rear. I'm going to wait until I get the inner wing installed as the remote res. are usually mounted on the inner wing.

Your comments gave me an idea, I have some left over PPF here, Ideal for wrapping the shocks...good advice
Post #918761 26th Aug 2021 10:00am
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jonny



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I think most people notch the plastic strut top cover for the hose and mount them in the engine bay - assuming you got the same kit, there should be a metal cradle type arrangement that you can use to mount them. Mine are mounted to the inside edge of the wing under the wing top on both sides which tucks them away fairly neatly.
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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey
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