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| mrfirepro Member Since: 06 Nov 2020 Location: kent Posts: 230   
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The great news is that as you can see above it all fits, however the LT230 ends up 40mm further forward.
Here are the mounting arrangements I used with the Marsland adapter chassis.  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge The RW's kit was straight forward however the mounting plates are installed with the countersunk holes to the bottom and the Jeep mount fixes into the holes nearest to the front, two bits of advice that would have saved me some time. |
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8th Jul 2021 8:41pm |
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| william1987 Member Since: 03 Aug 2021 Location: dubai Posts: 2 
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hi mrfirepro. may i have your email address or whatsapp ?? we are doing same project. just my defender is 2002 td5
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3rd Aug 2021 8:30pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7904 
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William1987 onlybif you start your own thread, would love to follow the build
 James
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3rd Aug 2021 10:23pm |
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| william1987 Member Since: 03 Aug 2021 Location: dubai Posts: 2
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thanks lot but lt230 adaptor i can not find it. rw-eng said it will take few weeks.
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4th Aug 2021 7:50am |
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| mrfirepro Member Since: 06 Nov 2020 Location: kent Posts: 230
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William - PM sent
Dinnu - The fronts are threaded holes, using a substantial reinforced plate, the rears have internal bracing. However, I'm not liking this set up that much as the space at the front is down to 140mm (ish) with masses of space behind the engine. I've been reassured by rw's and Marslands and have seen pictures of the completed jobs, but I think it could be better with more space. I've test fitted a spare bulkhead and I can move the whole lot back a max of 90mm so that the headers still clear the bulkhead. MY biggest concern is the intake tube which I'm being told must be completely straight (by speartech) if it is, it will not miss the wing. If I move all the mounts back 90mm I'll end up welding them to the chassis. Here are some pictures which show the issues. I'm 90% for pushing it back, my next update will show the results. For certain there will not be any space for a fan cowl with this set up. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge I also need to add a spacer to the intake so that it is square to the engine, which will take up more space. Look at the space behind the engine Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge I'm still to design this properly but by moving the engine back 90mm I think I can reuse the puma hi/lo diff lock lever mechanism, which will be a result. |
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4th Aug 2021 8:17am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414  
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Right, you have quite some clearance to the bulkhead.
Did you clear the steering box, or are you using a P38 box? Seems like your transfer case is very close to the position used on 200tdi and earlier. Here is a picture of my gearbox mounts (1988 90). Click image to enlarge 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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4th Aug 2021 9:51am |
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| mrfirepro Member Since: 06 Nov 2020 Location: kent Posts: 230
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They look like they are in a similar position as mine but you have the vaiables of your transmission(2wd/4wd) & TC adapter, if it ends up as the same setup as mine I'd be pushing it back and welding the mounts on so that you gain more clearance at the front. But you will also have to wrestle with the hi/lo diff lock lever if you want stock position.
No problem clearing the steering box but that will also depend on what front end your using and with/without AC, also what sump do you have. What diff and TC ratios are you using? |
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4th Aug 2021 2:48pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414
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Owe no no.. mine is going to be stock... bog standard.... with one of the dirtiest diesel engines
But who knows what the future brings. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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4th Aug 2021 7:04pm |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 485
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It maybe worth using 200TDI length props and moving the transfer back to 200/19J position in chassis just be carefull with bell housing to tunnel clearance
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5th Aug 2021 12:50pm |
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| mrfirepro Member Since: 06 Nov 2020 Location: kent Posts: 230
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This post is just about moving the engine backwards from the position as intended by Marsland and RW's, I've asked both if there is any downside and hopefully, they will let me know their thoughts soon.
The reason for this move is the space upfront in my opinion is far too tight and as far as I can see there is mainly upside in moving the engine back 90mm. The advantages of this as I see it are.. 1. The standard Puma Hi/Lo lever can be used, and it ends up in the stock position or at least very close Click image to enlarge the alternative was this arrangement which I was struggling to get working, engine here is in the forward position Click image to enlarge 2. The extra 90mm at the front will allow more room for the Intake (can now go straight to the old air box position rather than loop up over the AC compressor), fans and coolant hoses. The rad will now easily clear the PAS reservoir bracket. Like this (not my photo, thanks to Graham at NCK motorsport for this). Click image to enlarge 3. There is more space between the exhaust headers and the chassis rails. There are a few downsides... 1. Custom prop shafts will be required, which I think would have happened with the engine 90mm forwards as the TC ends up not being in the stock position. 2. The headers are close to the bulkhead, I've installed a heat reflective matting to help with heat but it is still only 10-12mm from the bulkhead. I suspect I'll end up making heat shields. Click image to enlarge the space to the rear of the engine also looks good and the bell housing still has plenty of clearance. (Spare bulkhead not my working one) Click image to enlarge There have been lots of other things going on which I'll update next. Providing there are no show stoppers from Marsland/RW's I'll weld the mounts in place over the weekend which will finally allow me to install the bulkhead. |
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5th Aug 2021 8:19pm |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 485
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Looks much better but I cant understand looking at your picture of the tunnel and lever in position how the high low lever fits with the transfer box so far back from the tunnel?
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6th Aug 2021 9:35am |
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| mrfirepro Member Since: 06 Nov 2020 Location: kent Posts: 230
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Hi Linds,
I've struggled with that question as well, and the only explanation I can come to is that my initial assessment of the TC being 40mm further forward was wrong. Looking back at the photos I can see it's clearly more than 40mm, I think it's more like 60/65mm see here using the end of the fuel pipe bracket for reference stock position of TC Click image to enlarge Position of TC as per manufacturers spec Click image to enlarge When I moved this lot back the 90mm I thought I'd have to mess around with the linkages. I think the final position is still not stock, about 25mm further back but this means I can mount the mechanism in the stock location and using some play and a small modification it all seems to fit/work, in hindsight I could have moved the engine back 65mm, but the extra room up front is going to pay dividends later on (I hope). Here are some before and after shot, settled on the 90mmm based on the distance from the bulkhead of the headers. Before Click image to enlarge after (back 90mm from manufacturers spec) Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge The only other item I have no explanation for is the diff lock linkage, I've had to shorten the linkage by around 30mm which looking at the above should have needed extending. I'm not even trying to figure this out and put it down to my lack of Defender experience. |
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6th Aug 2021 12:46pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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I haven’t seen much comment elsewhere about the RW adapters misaligning stuff - keeping everything in their original (albeit non-Puma in my case) locations was the appeal of it…
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6th Aug 2021 1:23pm |
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| mrfirepro Member Since: 06 Nov 2020 Location: kent Posts: 230
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There is nothing wrong with the RW's adapters or mounts or indeed the Marsland chassis, they are designed to have the engine that far forward.
I just think it's a better solution where it is now, but I guess time will see if I end up regretting this decision. There is a considerable ammount of knowledge and experience beteen these two companies and I'm new to defenders. Fingers crossed  |
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6th Aug 2021 1:59pm |
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