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Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3328

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

What puddle? wrote:
"Which bike did you buy?"

Zed, after so much research and six cancelled orders!!! (due to their lying about delivery times) I finally settled on the Himo Z20. We both wanted folding bikes. I really wanted a fat-tyre version, but they are either a rip off, or you can't get what you want. The Aventon Sinch and Maxfoot are two great-looking bikes, but neither company is at all interested in the UK market. I've had email discussions with their management to try and get them here, and even offered to act as importer. Aventon flat told me "We're not interested"!!!

The Himo Z20 doesn't have suspension, that's the only negative, but then it is only around £690. Both the Sinch and Maxfoot are £1,600 - or would be if you could get them, and have got suspension. At one point, I was even half tempted to get a plane to New York and bring one back! I was getting that annoyed. I'm also annoyed that I had to go Chinese. I even got the interest of the Taiwan 'embassy' in London to help me get one from there instead, but they were only interested in me buying a hundred of them. And Taiwanese companies never returned my emails. My sixth cancelled order was only on Saturday when an ebay supplier lied (yet again) about getting me one. Ebay must attract every liar on Earth.

So, anyway, I'm really pleased with it. It looks MUCH better than it did in the pictures, and rides great. We can get them both in the back of our car, and they weigh less than a bag of cement. Odd thing was though that it came without a UK plug, so I have had to order an adaptor for the charger.

That looks very nice and great price too. Have to say I'm extremely tempted! WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

19th May 2021 5:57pm

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

Be very careful who you order from. There are sellers on ebay who only have the white one (mine's grey). They SAY you can have a grey one...but they aren't in stock. Also, be very wary of Chinese companies like Geekbuying' and Gearbest (I think they are actually the same company!). They don't have UK stock - they are stocked in Poland. When it doesn't turn up on the date promised, they say it's stuck at customs in Poland.
I ordered mine through markshop.co.uk Not only did they have grey in stock, AND emailed me back on a Sunday, AND it arrived as promised by next working day. Their price is £699. You can get it for as low as £645 on ebay (only have one, and it's white). I'm pretty sure that even markshop is Chinese, but I can't fault their customer service.

Going biking Saturday! Now left.

19th May 2021 6:48pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

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F-150 Lightning ~ hardly too expensive and might be the real game changer for the competition.

20th May 2021 6:15am

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

ResGuy68, what do you think of Grenadier's prospects in the US, if the Ford Lightning is going to be $20,000 cheaper than Ineos' diesel and petrol versions? It won't be sold here, but it's surely going to take some of Ineos' sales in the US, no? Will it tempt you to go electric? Now left.

20th May 2021 7:46am

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

The F-150 Lightning is going to be pretty useless for many as a working vehicle - can’t see anything to suggest that the usual EV problem of laden/towing range has been addressed.

20th May 2021 5:15pm

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

Well, I'm always amazed at how popular they are. I've had a pick-up, and wouldn't consider the small-bed versions with the double cab. I never had cause to want a double cab, and preferred a long bed. You can only get two packets of crisps in some of those small beds. But they are incredibly popular, and it will sell like hot cakes - just read the American car sites today, they love it. Now left.

20th May 2021 5:47pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Philip wrote:
The F-150 Lightning is going to be pretty useless for many as a working vehicle - can’t see anything to suggest that the usual EV problem of laden/towing range has been addressed.

"As it usually does, Ford seems to developed an electric truck specifically targeted to meet the needs and wants of people that actually buy trucks by the many hundreds of thousands every year. Ford doesn’t move nearly 900,000 F-series annually by throwing goofy ideas against the wall."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid...er-backup/

21st May 2021 5:45am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17473

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Philip wrote:
The F-150 Lightning is going to be pretty useless for many as a working vehicle - can’t see anything to suggest that the usual EV problem of laden/towing range has been addressed.

20,000 reservations in the first 12 hours suggest that others don't think this.

21st May 2021 7:42am

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2531

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Philip wrote:
The F-150 Lightning is going to be pretty useless for many as a working vehicle - can’t see anything to suggest that the usual EV problem of laden/towing range has been addressed.

Power is 563bhp and torque is up to 775 lbs-ft, the highest torque of any F-150. Payload is 2000 lbs whilst towing capacity is 10,000 lbs. The on board generator is up from 7.2 to 9.6 kW.

If those figures don't suggest a working vehicle then I don't know what does. Defender 90XS SW
Mini Countryman Cooper S
Morgan Plus 8

21st May 2021 8:10am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5856

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

I do like the American obsession with power. I know you can't use it or access it all the time or on public roads, blah, blah, blah, but it's just good to know it's there.

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

21st May 2021 8:51am

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3648159...ge-towing/

21st May 2021 8:58am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Grenadier wrote:
I do like the American obsession with power. I know you can't use it or access it all the time or on public roads, blah, blah, blah, but it's just good to know it's there.

F-150 Lightning doesn't have enough for some though:

"563 horsepower hardly gets the heart racing in this power-drunk moment."

Lightning Struck Ford's F-150 Twice. This Time, I Think It Missed
"An electric F-150 is cool. An electric sport truck would have been cooler, especially since Ford has already proved it knows how to build one."

"Lightning" once stood for a pickup truck with serious power and sports-car-inspired handling. It relied on that classic muscle-car formula—a big engine in a small car (or truck in this case)—and used a lowered and stiffened suspension to domesticate the F-150's agrarian chassis. In 1993, the original SVT F-150 Lightning posted an impressive 0.88 g of lateral grip in Car and Driver skidpad testing. A second generation followed in 1999 with a supercharged V-8 that yanked the Lightning to 147 mph. About that truck, Steven Cole Smith wrote, "There is just no way to make a half-ton solid-rear-axle pickup weighing 4696 pounds handle like a sports car. But Ford has come surprisingly close."

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3648123...k-opinion/

21st May 2021 9:18am

Farmerben

Member Since: 16 Jan 2017
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 605

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green

0-60 in sub 5 seconds, for a truck that size and it's not quick enough? What's wrong with people? https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews

21st May 2021 5:21pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

boxoftricks wrote:
Philip wrote:
A “partnership with a major international chain of repair centres” is as much as I’ve read - maybe something like ATS Euromaster?

That's got to be the only option. However, they don't have showrooms, people to test drive etc. Another option is independent agriculture sales businesses however they don't have servicing etc.

No major manufacturer is going to allow them to be sold out of their licensed dealerships.

Be interesting to see how they deal with it especially across the rural communities.

Well its been an interesting week for traditional dealerships.

First Stellantis gives two years notice to all dealerships, possibly looking to a future with multiple brands site; then VW confidential documents come out that show they are interested in selling direct to customers with an agency model for dealers at point of collection; and now Merc is also interested in the agency model with plans to sell its own dealer network.

Those complaining about Ineos not having sales/maintenance infrastructure in place should take note.

21st May 2021 5:25pm

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5856

Farmerben wrote:
0-60 in sub 5 seconds, for a truck that size and it's not quick enough? What's wrong with people?

He's got a small 'you-know-what'

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

21st May 2021 8:28pm

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