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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3525   
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21st May 2021 8:40pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605 
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21st May 2021 9:02pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I guess that number is only ever going to climb: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Receives 44,500 Reservations Within 48 Hours https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2022-fo...61717.html |
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23rd May 2021 6:54am |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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Whether they don’t think it or not, it’s a fact - EV range drops alarmingly when towing. Vast, vast majority are clearly not going to be working vehicles. https://jalopnik.com/towing-range-for-the-...1846936001 |
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23rd May 2021 1:05pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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So it may be of some use for some trades, but is useless for leisure users who tow. Whichever way you want it.
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23rd May 2021 5:00pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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Or then there’s all those people who never carry anything more than the weekly shop. There are plenty of folk in the states (and here for that matter) with pickups and SUVs who would manage just fine with a Mini. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews
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23rd May 2021 5:25pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4218 
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I don't understand the sort of stats used to justify poor ev range like "most journeys are under X miles" or the 90th percentile distance is xyz. Even for cases where that's true there will almost always be some occasions where you need to go much further than that, then the whole thing falls down. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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23rd May 2021 5:41pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585
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You could always stop. Charge up for 30mins or so, check your emails, have a coffee and toilet break. If the range was say 150miles, you’d have been driving for over two hours. After sitting in the same place it is sensible to have a walk about.
I do 25k miles a year and most days drive well less than 100 miles. The 3 times a year I drive to Cornwall, Scotland or France on holiday stopping to charge isn’t going to affect me at all. Charging points are getting better by the day. I have enough space to charge all the vehicles over night. I’d have the 110 made ev but it’s still rather expensive. More and more of our work kit is now electric and so much easier and quieter. |
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23rd May 2021 7:41pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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I do London-Yorkshire and London-Cumbria fairly regularly, and don’t stop - having to spend half an hour mid-journey in some grim service station trying to make a charger work doesn’t appeal.
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23rd May 2021 7:48pm |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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I can just about get to Tebay on a tank of fuel on a trip to Scotland. Quite happy to sit there for half an hour.
But the other 360 days of the year I’m driving 10 miles between the two farms with the garage as a detour. I’ve got off road parking at both. The thought of not having to queue for diesel or have to go out of my way to fill up far outweighs the occasion I might have to wait for a bit of charge on a road trip. So just because it doesn’t suit you, don’t go writing it off for everyone. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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23rd May 2021 8:19pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Two years ago, we got rid of our BMW i3...due solely to one terrible experience. We went to Boscombe (from Reading) for the day - all 19 of the family go down every year. We got down there ok still with 25 miles left, and went to charge up. The charger wasn't working. By now, our family had gathered on the beach so we went to join them. After we all left for home, we went to a Bournemouth charger. It wasn't working. The controller (by phone, now, to a desperate me) sent me to to a car park... it wasn't working. They then sent me back to the one we first went to... which still wasn't working. Now, in desperation, I sent my wife on home in her sister's car, while the controller sent me to Southampton...with 15 miles left. I made it with 5 miles left to find a Corsa parked in the bay. Nevertheless, the cable reached. After 40 minutes, it had charged up, but the cable refused to release. I had to press the red emergency stop button. I got home at ten o'clock that night and we vowed to get rid of it the following month.
I know it's all moved on from there, and we plan to buy another. But it was a truly anxious experience. Now left. |
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23rd May 2021 8:21pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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The infrastructure clearly has a long way to go - the Supercharger network is absolutely Tesla’s USP.
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23rd May 2021 8:44pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3328 
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It's still early days for EV's, I'm guessing folks would have also had range anxiety when cars were first invented.
I'm sure it won't be long until battery range dwarfs the average tank of diesel and chargers are widespread. Logistics wise it's much easier to kit out and run chargers than petrol stations and the National Grid have confirmed there will be more than enough capacity for future needs. Esso and co. have already mastered monetising petrol fill-up's with built in supermarkets, fast food, coffee shops etc. and will only be too happy with a more captive customer to fleece. I very rarely need to fill up any of our cars more than once every 2 weeks so range isn't an issue for me but we could always keep one ICE car for longer trips if it was really necessary. I won't be buying another new diesel though, the writing is already on the wall for them. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. Last edited by Zed on 23rd May 2021 9:26pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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23rd May 2021 9:14pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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There are still MANY people leasing diesel cars on 4 year leases. What will these companies do with them in 2025? By then, JP Morgan says that a third of cars will be EVs, and with half of UK cars needing to be electric by 2030 to meet climate-change goals. Now left.
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23rd May 2021 9:23pm |
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