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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110   
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I think is better buried the hero with honours instead to transform it in this thing.
Looks like a nice concept but is far away of the Defender concept. The KISS concept has been forget with this model. Most of the gadget announced are usseless outside the civilization range 
Cheers Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge |
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13th Sep 2011 12:00pm |
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| Morea Member Since: 20 Jan 2011 Location: Asturies Posts: 201 |
My future car will be a Jeep wrangler o mercedes G.
http://www.facebook.com/landrover?sk=app_279761962038277 http://www.clublandrovertt.org/index.php?a...ype=avatar |
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13th Sep 2011 12:11pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
2L engine.
Thats a deal breaker for me. Watch the disco residuals start to increase. Pom |
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13th Sep 2011 12:46pm |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762  
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just cpoied this comment from the LR Facebook page ... Well written, and worth reading:
"Kristjan Vaarmann I have to quote Neill Thornton OK Land Rover, here is some serious feedback that isn't just a rant from the owner of a 1965 Series IIA, 1984 Ninety, and a 2005 LR3 who uses these vehicles off-road constantly. Not "a little gravel on the pavement" off-road, but the kind of off-road that you see on the posters in the dealership. The body panel creasing, brush pin-striping, skid plate denting kind of off-road... First - We understand that you are under the gun by various government agencies around the world to comply with byzantine rules regarding safety, emissions, etc. Some things *have* to be included in a new model such as engine electronics for emissions, Dynamic Stability Control, etc. We also get that there are Airbag, Crumple Zone, and even Pedestrian Safety rules. But please don't make that your cop-out excuse for hideous design. Second - Only add "optional extras" that either are required by law (above) or seriously improve off-road performace. Resist the temptation to festoon electronic gizmos everywhere a la LR3/4. This truck has ONE purpose... get into the bush, and get back. We WANT basic rugged design. If I wanted something wrapped in leather you have 5 other models to choose from. Third - Suspension - I know you really really want to use that T5 chassis. Independent suspension doesn't have to be the death knell everyone says it is, but you better make sure we have massive articulation, protected stub axles, and the icing on the cake would be locking diffs front and rear and sway bar disconnects. Jeep figured this out long ago. DO NOT even THINK of EAS. Springs only!!!! Fourth - Drivetrain - Simple and rugged. Electronics are a modern requirement and we get that, but waterproof the ECU, make it easy to add a true snorkel, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE offer a Turbodiesel engine in the USA. You have NO IDEA how bad people want that here. My Ninety has a 300 Tdi in it and I get Jeep guys EVERY DAY telling me how much they lust over it. Fifth - Body - Scrap whatever the hell you were working on. That is BEYOND hideous. Remember the "Passport" ads where pictures of land rovers were made up of immigration stamps? The Defender shape is so universally recognized you could tell what it was, and it was just a bunch of stamps!!! Why are you so convinced it needs to dissapear??? I know manual assembly of all the panels is heavy manual labor, so make it more modular. I assume you are sticking with the T5 so that's fine, just make a tub/seat box unified aluminum body piece, a bulkhead, and each front wing be single units. That's 4 things that would need bolting, and the single tub/door frame and bulkhead mean good side imact protection. Sixth - Protectability - The sides need to be flat going up, so they can be protected by rock sliders and nerf bars under the doors. Forget all the plastic blingy trim. Keep the simple exposed metal. Figure out the MINIMUM amound of crappy nose slope to meet the pedestrian requirement, and then make that thing REMOVEABLE so the aftermarket can give us a true rugged bumper. Which leads me to.... Seventh - Aftermarket - One of the greatest things about the FJ and Jeep Rubicon is the massive aftermarket upgrades selection. Get ARB, Terrafirma, Equipe, etc in there BEFORE you launch so that when you do pull the curtain back at the reveal, they already have things to bolt on. Eighth - Interior - Simple and Rugged. Simple and Rugged. Simple and Rugged. Are you getting it? Have the padded dash and steering wheel, add the air bags, any other minor safety things, and then STOP. Carpeting should be an OPTION. Back tub should be BARE. Waterproof the speakers for the basic stereo that doesn't even have moving parts becuase who the hell even listens to real CDs anymore? Have an iPod jack with a rubber stopper to block dust and dirt. Roll-up windows. MAYBE keyless entry can be an OPTION. Cloth seats with easily removable covers that can be washed. If you REALLY want to bling the thing out, make it a package and call it the "Chelsea Tractor Edition". Big cup holders like the ones in the door of my LR3 that hold big bottles of water or Kleen Kanteens. Ninth - For god sakes gives us 16 inch rims with high profile tires. Probably the biggest insults was that concept rendering with rubber bands for tires. Out here in the desert we HAVE to air down to ~12 PSI or things go bad. How am I going to do that with blingtastic 22" dubs? Tenth - If you bring someone in that hasn't seen it, and can't IMMEDIATELY recognize it as a Defender you have failed. This goes back to the name "PROJECT ICON" and point Five above." Ten points ! 
And have you heard the Press Conference ? "new car, new customers please" ?  WTF ? And all of us that helped maintainig our LR rolling so that they could have the best publicity that a brand can have, wich is having their cars rolling after dozens of years ? Regards
Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. Last edited by lrmaniac on 13th Sep 2011 2:24pm. Edited 2 times in total |
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13th Sep 2011 1:25pm |
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| Morea Member Since: 20 Jan 2011 Location: Asturies Posts: 201 |
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13th Sep 2011 1:45pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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13th Sep 2011 2:03pm |
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| cinstone Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Stourbridge Posts: 375  
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http://shropshirelandrovers.freeforums.org
2015 Defender 90 XS SW & Helen, 1964 IIa. Previously 2012 Defender 90 XS SW & 2008 90 XS SW. Previous LR's: Michael, my 2008 Defender 90 XS SW. Machinas oportet intrare non capsicum annuum faveo |
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13th Sep 2011 2:21pm |
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| DG Member Since: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Lording it !! Posts: 36 
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LR Chief Designer at the LC100 unveiling in Frankfurt this morning:
Get over it ...get used to it
 Interloper from disco3 |
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13th Sep 2011 2:24pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17382 
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I see it has "intelligent stop/start technology" - I just hope that the "start" aspect is better than the Puma Defender in that case.
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13th Sep 2011 2:29pm |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
just read the first 2 pages of the LR w@ankbook wall and not a single positive comment.
Bet that knob in the massive tie at the conference is puking. I think the best comment was ' Toyota really like the DC100', says it all really. Pom |
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13th Sep 2011 2:34pm |
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| Morea Member Since: 20 Jan 2011 Location: Asturies Posts: 201 |
So difficult is to keep the icon Land Rover? I keep to my guns. I am not convinced this guy that wants the American market.
http://autoworld-es.blogspot.com/2011/03/t...-land.html http://www.clublandrovertt.org/index.php?a...ype=avatar |
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13th Sep 2011 2:34pm |
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| Fox Member Since: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 72
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I for one am glad they are finally making something new.
Loved the Defender and had quite a few over the last eight years, two of which were bought new. But for god sake, they are uncomfortable, cramped, noisy, inefficient and expensive with generally bad build quality. I mean rust on a two year old vehicle? Obsurd. I over looked all this because they have strong character and you form an emotional attachemnt to them. But driving a lot of miles in them actually caused me permenant shoulder pain from banging the B post and an aching knee from the overly heavy clutch. They are a relic of the past, it's time for a new chapter. The Defender has been great, it deserves it's place in history. Now move over and lets have something that is not based on the 1950s. |
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13th Sep 2011 2:36pm |
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| Morea Member Since: 20 Jan 2011 Location: Asturies Posts: 201 |
Contradict each other. said first one and then another. A play?
This is a concept vehicle and by no means production-ready. This is the beginning of a four-year journey for Land Rover and we want our fans and customers to be a part of that discussion. We welcome your feedback here but you can also register your interest in joining our research panel on our website http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1...0369058551 Hi everyone, thanks again for your comments – we’re proud to see how passionate everyone is about the Defender. Forthcoming legislation requires a replacement Defender in the 2015/2016 time frame so we need to move forward. We understand that replacing an icon is a massive challenge - and one we take seriously. At the heart of the Defender is capability, pure and simple. This will not change. Our ambition is to create a Defender for a global market that reaches out to new and existing customers, in a way that's absolutely faithful to its original DNA. Irrespective of the chosen design, you can be sure it will do all the things you expect of a modern day Defender. It will be extremely capable, durable and built for purpose. We welcome your feedback on how you would use the future Defender and what you think it needs to do. Thanks for taking the time to comment and respond. http://www.clublandrovertt.org/index.php?a...ype=avatar |
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13th Sep 2011 3:24pm |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762
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more here
http://blog.landrover.com/vehicles/dc100-v...z1XpBdBzh7 http://blog.landrover.com/vehicles/dc100-v...z1XpBdBzh7  Regards
Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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13th Sep 2011 4:16pm |
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