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farmer giles

Member Since: 09 Feb 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 1299

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Cairns Blue

the transition between series 3 and the 90/110 was evolution; what they are showing us from defender to dc100 is revolution - well revolting at the very least.

keep it simple - like the owners, land rover, if you are reading this.

brand loyal since 1990

31st Aug 2011 3:44pm

farmer giles

Member Since: 09 Feb 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 1299

just to play devils avocate....

if the vehicle in the picture was on sale with all the spec of a current 90 xs for £21k and did the same towing and off road ability of a current 90 but returned 40 mpg.....

would you buy one?

31st Aug 2011 3:51pm

fishrider

Member Since: 01 Dec 2010
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 79

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Keswick Green

Yes, but I wouldn't love it. Same thing if I marred a horse because it could cook , amongst other things lol 110 HT TD5 - 110 XS SW Puma

31st Aug 2011 3:59pm

fishrider

Member Since: 01 Dec 2010
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 79

Actually no, I think the discovery would be the vehicle truer to it's roots then. Which they're replacing soon..holds breath 110 HT TD5 - 110 XS SW Puma

31st Aug 2011 4:02pm

MrFlips

Member Since: 27 May 2009
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 682

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 PU Santorini Black

Desperately hope the design director is correct about it being a four year journey in design before it hits production, and that four year journey involves entirely changing what it looks like. Unless it's really cheap, a Discovery 4 (5 by then) Commercial would seem the obvious answer. (No, that isn't already the obvious answer before anyone says it).

Ah well, four years gives me long enough to save for an end of line 130 if not. Peter
2008 SWB Truck Cab
1952 80" Soft top

31st Aug 2011 5:01pm

Setok

Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 422

iruffell wrote:
Quote:
The most basic thing they could do is to try and build a comfortable Defender as it is. Everyone loves the shape of it.

The problem is that they will never get anything like the current shape to pass the pedestrian safety regs.
They also need to get the build costs down, the current Defender is basically hand built by Brummies, it's expensive and leads to all the reliability issues we all complain about in the current model.

Again, how do you explain the Wrangler?

31st Aug 2011 5:26pm

Mullen

Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: West midlands
Posts: 93

They could of atleast put the door hinges on the outside or even have some rivets on show to make it have something in common with a defender

31st Aug 2011 5:32pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

Setok wrote:
iruffell wrote:
Quote:
The most basic thing they could do is to try and build a comfortable Defender as it is. Everyone loves the shape of it.

The problem is that they will never get anything like the current shape to pass the pedestrian safety regs.
They also need to get the build costs down, the current Defender is basically hand built by Brummies, it's expensive and leads to all the reliability issues we all complain about in the current model.

Again, how do you explain the Wrangler?

Also how do you explain lorries?

Personal opinion - "pedestrian safety requirements" is an excuse being used by Landrover to kill off the Defender as we know it. If these rules and regs are so tight, how the heck can MAN for example built a lorry with a front that is basically a twelve foot tall metal wall. And whilst I'm at it, how come lorries can still have big tubular steel bullbars? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

31st Aug 2011 6:13pm

JASPERTHEHORSE

Member Since: 29 Apr 2011
Location: Durham
Posts: 49

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Am I missing something here???

Its bloody superb!

Given the very little change from LRX concept to Evoque I would lay good money on the fact that this is pretty damm close to whats coming.
Im serious by the way, I love it.

31st Aug 2011 7:18pm

Honker

Member Since: 26 Jun 2011
Location: St Albans
Posts: 353

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

If it follows normal practice then there is still 2 years before a design freeze on it, so hope for some detail changes. However unless there is a totally different design being worked on then I suspect that this 'concept' has the overall architecture sorted. Hopefully they'll tinker with the front , add some 'heritage' features like alpine roof lights etc... Otherwise it's got a wheel at each corner, has the same look at the rear as a disco , got the spare on the back and erm well not much else to say. Wheels and brakes are usual concept fare and the nice photoshop on 'location' tells us nothing really.
So no idea of body styles - just because it shows a 3 dr doesn't mean there will be one , power trains, suspension etc just inter web speculation.

One thing though. I've taken on a chap who worked on the finance side of the disco/ffrs/defender programme. He says it was only because the 'new' chassis they developed couldn't ultimately cope with the necessary body style variations the defender needed, that the defender was set aside and carried on in it's own evolutionary dead end to the puma we have today. So I suppose we're lucky this product has lasted so long.

IF they can develop something that can cater for utilitarian/working car and a 'comfort' spec then it might work. But the fix it in the barn Defender is dead, legislation fixed that.

Still back to tricky decisions ...... Zu or Mach 5..just can't decide.

Stu

31st Aug 2011 7:19pm

JASPERTHEHORSE

Member Since: 29 Apr 2011
Location: Durham
Posts: 49

MartinK wrote:
Looks just like the Skoda Yeti!

Not really a bad thing?

Yeti is a cracking product.

31st Aug 2011 7:20pm

mikelike

Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: new zealand
Posts: 108

For the last 30 years consumers have been saying ,Tata , to Land rovers , This will continue , TATA

31st Aug 2011 8:11pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

I wonder if this has been "leaked" (remember we were supposed to find out at the Frankfurt show) just to get a reaction. Landrover are probably reading all the forums now seeing what the response is. The real vehicle may be not so radical, and we will all be thankful it wasn't as bad as it could have been... 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

31st Aug 2011 8:24pm

mikelike

Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: new zealand
Posts: 108

Can you see dictators being chased out of countries with aD100 equiped with machine guns ? No nor can I , in fact rebels dont even use current rovers , because Land Rover is out of touch with the utility markets , the very market that created Land Rover !!!! In the Australasian markets a defender is a joke , Toyota sells 10000 to one , a D100 will continue that trend ! Tata

31st Aug 2011 8:32pm

Steve B

Member Since: 22 May 2009
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 586

I was just thinking the same, If I were Landrover I would.

What they should do is invite a random group of possible customers/enthusiasts etc and have a brain storming day?

Other industries do this, some good thing come out too. A lot of these engineers / designerds are not as clever as they think they are.

Steve

lol. desingnerds was a typo

31st Aug 2011 8:41pm

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