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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
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Ireland 
Do Mercedes not make a profit on the Unimog? That is a 100% utility vehicle that sells less than the Defender. I see no reason why Land Rover do not develop the Defender as a 100% utility and avoid all this current bureaucratic safety crap. Let them release this other thing and call it what they like.
In this day and age, image and advertising seem to be the be all and end all. I am sure Land Rover spend a lot keeping the Land Rover brand out there and in peoples subconscious. Surely a top notch Defender would be an ideal advertising tool encompassing all that is desirable in a car, i.e strength, ruggedness, versatility and great in winter. People like to aspire to these things but few-apart from us- actually go down that route. Most people buy a car that points them in that direction and makes them feel like they have the "real thing".
Let the design team work out how the existing Defender can be modified, as little as possible to meet whatever briefs are necessary. If the passenger car market is too restrictive, take the Defender out of it.
I like the Puma and think it is a wonderful car to drive. Maybe if they went down the road I am suggesting it would no longer be suitable as a family car but it's integrity would be intact. It would be a wonderful advertising tool for Land Rover and it would help them sell more of the stuff that the masses want.
Widen it a little to get airbags in. Give it a an internal roll cage discretely built in to the interior for roll over integrity and entrance to the U.S market. As for the frontal modifications,just enough tinkering to get it legal.
The Unimog is a very capable vehicle but it does not make for a good family car. Somewhere between the Unimog and the current Defender lies the answer. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #86930 31st Aug 2011 8:46pm
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tatra805



Member Since: 16 Aug 2011
Location: Dolany
Posts: 436

Slovakia 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey
just found these first variants by the guys from kilometer.


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more here:

http://www.kilometermagazine.com/cgi-bin/p...1;i=0;pg=1


its all Big Cry and Evil or Very Mad to me Pajero nose, mini roof, yeti windows and C3 pillar and wheels

i really really hope they are playing us and come up with something closer to this in Frankfurt


Post #86946 31st Aug 2011 9:29pm
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Green Machine



Member Since: 19 Nov 2010
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 1226

United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Tonga Green
tatra805 wrote:
just found these first variants by the guys from kilometer.


Haha, the long wheelbase version (I'm not calling it a 110) looks even better! Talk about classic proportions. They seem to have gone with the 'nosedive' look. Oh dear Land Rover, is this what it has come to? I think I'd rather see Defender killed off for good and have the memories! 2005 Td5 | 90 Station Wagon | Tonga Green
Post #86949 31st Aug 2011 9:36pm
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ickle



Member Since: 22 Jul 2010
Location: South Vendee
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France 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Alpine White
I'm sad to say but the 5 door looks kinda nice - do something with the front end, some easily replaceable plastic sills & arches............Not a third world fix it with a coat hanger workhorse maybe, but surely current Defender will be built in India for those who still want / need one?

Keith
Post #86950 31st Aug 2011 9:41pm
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MrFlips



Member Since: 27 May 2009
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 682

Wales 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 PU Santorini Black
I like how the long wheelbase does its own thing with shadows - its shaddow starts in the same place as the swb, yet the shadow from the door mirrors is further back. I think it's a case of stretchy-stretchy on photoshop. Peter
2008 SWB Truck Cab
1952 80" Soft top
Post #86952 31st Aug 2011 9:42pm
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CFB



Member Since: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posts: 803

United Kingdom 
I must be in the minority but I think it's bloomin fantastic!

No one else really produces a decent off roader still apart from LR so this can only be a success.

Time to move on and embrace something new me thinks Thumbs Up Andy
Post #86954 31st Aug 2011 9:43pm
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Setok



Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 419

Finland 
tatra805 wrote:

i really really hope they are playing us and come up with something closer to this in Frankfurt




Yes please! This one even has vents under the windscreen Thumbs Up

As for the front, pedestrian safety requires some roundness there, but you could slope it like the Wrangler, giving the illusion of straightness, and have forward facing lamps behind the slanted lamp covers. Fixing the front would go a long way to improving this concept. As well as reintroducing the vents (imagine how much Landy fanatics would be willing to forgive if we got those back!).

Oh and I hate the tyres and the stupid plastic edge protection that all 4x4s seem to want to have these days. How useless is that in even the mildest of terrain?

I want to see something that wouldn't look totally dumb parading with the MOD in Afghanistan.
Post #86955 31st Aug 2011 9:46pm
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Setok



Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
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Finland 
Oh, another definition of a good Landy:

it will take me no more than 5 minutes to replace any light bulb.
Post #86958 31st Aug 2011 9:49pm
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mse



Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey
Steve B wrote:
I was just thinking the same, If I were Landrover I would.

What they should do is invite a random group of possible customers/enthusiasts etc and have a brain storming day?

Other industries do this, some good thing come out too. A lot of these engineers / designerds are not as clever as they think they are.

Steve

lol. desingnerds was a typo Very Happy


that happens Mike
Post #86969 31st Aug 2011 10:18pm
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kingofthesparks



Member Since: 06 Jan 2011
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Posts: 987

United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White
seems like they invited the wrong people, well at least they had a day out of the asylum Rolling with laughter
Post #86971 31st Aug 2011 10:30pm
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Higgers



Member Since: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 668

United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red
If it looks a bit more like this I would be happy.

Apologies for the crappy small picture.

Post #86980 1st Sep 2011 4:04am
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ibexman



Member Since: 13 Dec 2008
Location: Essex
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United Kingdom 
I like it square off the front a tad ,not some thing to be taken apart and fiddled with like older defenders ,maybe thats why some are not keen ???
Post #86996 1st Sep 2011 7:59am
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Landie Boy



Member Since: 14 Jan 2011
Location: Essex
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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
I got bored, changed the wheels, gave it a lift and reduced the front of it.
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Jack
Post #87003 1st Sep 2011 8:39am
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ibexman



Member Since: 13 Dec 2008
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[quote="Landie Boy"]I got bored, changed the wheels, gave it a lift and reduced the front of it.
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TATS BETTER Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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robpenrose



Member Since: 15 Jan 2011
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United Kingdom 
Looks like a Bummer (Sorry i meant Hummer).

Looks like i may be moving away from LR when i need to change my Td5. Current:D4 HSE
Gone: BMW Z4MC
Gone: Defender TD5 90 CSW
Previous: Discovery TD5 ES (Gone)
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