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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526   
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I just hope that Ineos see sense and continue with their plans for Bridgend. I would hate to see production go to France but it could be worse, they could be thinking of building it in China
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8th Jul 2020 12:54pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Not sure that's true on any of those counts. Rail has a huge part to play in moving large quantities of materials around the country on a daily basis; and if you are in the know then train paths can always be planned into schedules. Just 3 aviation fuel trains a day which snake their way across the South East and London to reach Heathrow Airport from a port in Kent, remove around 35,000 road tanker movements annually. What trains have you seen on the road that are fully operational and just being relocated? If you are talking about backloading trains onto flatbed rail trucks then the issue may have more to do with bridge clearances than the economics. |
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8th Jul 2020 1:31pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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Locomotives and rolling stock which are either not main line certified or which are defective cannot be transported by rail, so must be moved by road. Sometimes also items are moved by road because the cost of causing delays to services is now so extreme that the risk is intolerable or uninsurable.
The railway remains the most energy-efficient and cost-effective way to move bulk loads between the same terminals, hence the fuel tanker trains, aggregate trains, and (when we still have coal fired power stations) MGR block coal trains. Ironically the only thing the railway really isn't good at is moving people. |
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8th Jul 2020 2:10pm |
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| adolfy Member Since: 01 Dec 2016 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 58 
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8th Jul 2020 2:21pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727  
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+1 again.
One of the principle desires behind Defender ownership was the British design and manufacture. I have nothing against other countries manufacturing abilities (lets face it, the Germans and Japanese manufacturing beat us all), but I do think we should support local manufacture where possible, in the same way as supporting local farming when sourcing food. If it ends up being built abroad then that is a large chunk of the appeal removed. 2005 Td5 90 XS 1989 V8 110 CSW |
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8th Jul 2020 2:26pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209 
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I understand there is actually excess capacity currently in rail freight due to the demise of coal fired power stations. The transportation of coal accounting for significant % of overall rail freight. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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8th Jul 2020 2:34pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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And it looks like JLR like using rail:
"A train loaded with 198 cars of the Jaguar Land Rover manufacturer (JLR) has arrived today, 22nd June 2020 at the Koper's Car & RO-RO terminal, which marks an important step in cooperation between Luka Koper and JLR. JLR has been shipping cars through Koper since 2017, when they stared cooperating with their partner production plant in Graz, Austria. Since the opening of their own production plant in Nitra, Slovakia in October 2018, the oversea export volumes have been growing. In addition to regular truck shipments, the cars will be arriving now from Nitra also by train. JLR has chosen the logistic route via Port of Koper because of good experience related to high-end car handling and the vast network of car-carrier services to the Mediterranean and Asia. The volumes are mostly exported to China with the weekly MOL service, while the Mediterranean – mostly Greece, Egypt, Israel, Turkey and Cyprus – is served by many weekly Intra-Med services calling Koper. The throughput of cars has reached 162.722 units in the first three months of 2020, a 4 percent decrease compared to the first quarter of 2019. However, the investment activities are in full swing, as two major investments have been completed in recent months: the new dedicated terminal rail access and the new RO-RO berth, while the construction of the additional garage for 6.000 units is proceeding on plan. According to the ranking published every year by Automotive Logistics – Finished Vehicle Logistics, Koper gained two places in 2019 as the seventh largest automotive port in Europe and third in the Mediterranean. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge https://www.luka-kp.si/eng/news/single/fir...kope-35944 |
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8th Jul 2020 2:54pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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That argument may hold up well if the item is generic and available from multiple locations (although there are arguments to suggest that globalisation works best for the most); but seems to fall down completely when looking at complex/unique items. Grenadier was always being designed abroad, so you only had one leg to stand on anyway. |
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8th Jul 2020 3:04pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3497 
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I'm not knocking rail freight, it's just, in my opinion, is poorly utilised and has been for years.
I wince at the lorries leaving Felixstowe (the local port to me) even though there is a rail line into the port (which has some use) there are still thousands of trucks moving in and out every day. If the train could just move the containers to the bits of the country they need to get to before being transferred to road transport for the final leg, that would make an enormous difference to the environment and road usage. I can't see that rail could get used efficiently to supply a small scale car manufacturing operation such as Ineos were going to have at Bridgend. Lets be real about it, most of the materials coming in and vehicles going out are going to be road transported. JR is not going to take the train to site meetings is he? Most manufacturing (as has been said previously) works on a just in time basis where product will only turn up to site as it is needed. Sadly, our railways don't work like that and do not have that flexibility that a couple of dozen artics have. There is a reason that industry does not use railways and its not because they are cheap, efficient and easy to use, because if it was, everyone would be using them. |
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8th Jul 2020 3:11pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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We'll agree to disagree.
Now I'm beginning to think that sea transport is more expensive than roads as I've just seen this: https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1280878562690641920?s=20 |
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8th Jul 2020 3:23pm |
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| V8Simon Member Since: 17 May 2016 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 146 
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UK minister's Ineos M4 claims 'nonsense on stilts'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53336549 1984 90 V8 puma want to be. |
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8th Jul 2020 3:29pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3497
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That is amazing  |
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8th Jul 2020 3:32pm |
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| Intercept Member Since: 27 Feb 2017 Location: Suffolk Posts: 587 
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^^^ Yep |
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8th Jul 2020 4:01pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3282 
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Yesterday Ineos were blaming Covid. Today they are blaming the M4. All the while the elephant in the room just sits there chuckling to himself. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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8th Jul 2020 4:08pm |
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