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| Black Puma Member Since: 31 Jan 2015 Location: Sydney Posts: 187   
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There are very wealthy businessmen in the world. They seem to remain resident in their own country. I’d assume if you have the fortunate to earn a fortune, you will happily pay your share of tax - unless you disagree with the way it is being spent by the government. After all NHS workers doing real work that is important and very difficult, pay their tax and support their country. It’s all relative.
So an assumption could be, either the government made it too difficult for the car to be successfully produced in the UK. Or manufacturing the Grenadier in France is the only way this car can ever be made. Seems unfortunate that the story is an idea formed in a British pub to replace a British icon, and it will not be made on British soil. But let’s recognise that it’s not being outsourced to a country that will manufacture as cheaply as possible with unethical working practices. So that is a good thing. I salute that. Over the last 20 years consuming stuff that is not needed, at unnecessary frequency, has become a global obsession. Aided by the economists in the media, using retail sales data to gauge a nations fiscal health. Concerns that if we don’t keep replacing badly made junk we don’t need with new badly made junk, then we’ll dive into recession and our country will fall apart. Seems the only place not falling part at the moment is China - go figure. I am out growing my 90. So I need a bigger vehicle of the same like the 90. The Grenadier fits the bill (no pun on the look of the front end). I kind of really want a Grenadier. Although why they had an architect / boat designer create the aestetics I don't know.... Observing what Selfridges Project Earth are promoting, including Barbour and the E-Lander ethos (although not the price). Maybe my heart and head should find a used 110, keep that alive and better it. Be a discerning responsible adult. What encourages me for up-cycling to a 110. Genuine JLR parts arrived yesterday, labeled “MADE IN UNITED KINGDOM”. But for how much longer?  Click image to enlarge |
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19th Dec 2020 1:36am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Tell your dad from me that he's certainly not alone!!! I've been doing that exact same thing. The French banned the sale of British beef in 1996. Their ban was unjustified and ruled unlawful by the European Court of Justice. Despite that, France continued...and never paid a single franc in fines despite being threatened with £100,000 a day fines. That was a turning point for me. Up until that moment, I had been a Europhile, very pro-EU. When France got away with that, I realised that the EU was a farce. I became a rabid Brexiteer and banned anything French from our house, even kissing. Funnily enough, Mrs Puddle started working with a lady a year ago whose husband did exactly the same. So tell your dad there are at least three of us. The day I became a Brexiteer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2467523.stm Now left. |
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19th Dec 2020 8:06am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17359 
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Quite rare to find a British-made JLR part now, most come from all over the world, including South Korea (classic Defender halfshafts, believe it or not). |
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19th Dec 2020 10:16am |
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| Black Puma Member Since: 31 Jan 2015 Location: Sydney Posts: 187
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Well that's really dissappointing to hear blackwolf. Appreciate being informed on that front.
My consolation is that I managed to find a rare item made in the UK.  |
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20th Dec 2020 1:44am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Here's a good take on the deal: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/article...int-for-f1 |
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20th Dec 2020 5:58pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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"Ineos Automotive has officially taken over operations of the Daimler plant in Hambach, France, after completing the purchase of the facility in December last year. It will start building the firm’s Grenadier off-roader in 2021, as well as continue to build the Smart EQ Fortwo until the end of its model cycle"
"As part of the deal, Ineos is contracted to continue building the electric Smart EQ Fortwo city car there, as well as a number of components and sub-assemblies for Mercedes-Benz models. L’Usine Nouvelle reports that this arrangement is due to continue until 2024, at which point a new generation of Smart will be built in China, in partnership with Geely. Mercedes-Benz is also reportedly setting aside €90m ($109m) to cover overstaffing, as 1,300 salaried staff are retained." Marko Weisshaar, head of supply chain management of Ineos Automotive, told Automotive Logistics that it is a huge benefit to have so many experienced staff to also plan the start of the Grenadier. However, the possibilities for combining the Smart and Grenadier supply chains will be limited. “Most of the synergies we find are in our human resources, where we already have a team that knows what works and where we do not need to invent the wheel again,” he said. “There is also a small chance to improve the inbound logistics for the Grenadier where the suppliers for Smart match geographically. If there is a benefit at all, it is something we have to investigate and find a solution with the Daimler supply chain management team.” He added that the supply chains for the Grenadier are largely finalised. All major components have been nominated, although some manufacturing locations may still change because production will be at the Hambach site, rather than in Wales, as originally planned. The team is confident that the supplier landscape fits its needs. The location of the factory was cited as an important factor when the acquisition was first announced, as it is located near the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, giving access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets. Weisshaar said that Ineos is in the final stages of the request for proposal (RFP) process for the Grenadier’s logistics operations and he expects a nomination to follow in the next quarter for all LSPs for freight, freight management and onsite logistics. For the existing operations with Daimler products, Ineos will have to take an approach that matches with Daimler’s and work in close partnership with the carmaker and its supplier base to make the transition work. “We need to have near-seamless transition from Daimler to Ineos operations where we still operate on existing systems for all Smart processes and also keep the LSP landscape as it was before,” said Weisshaar. “But for our own vehicle we will certainly plan everything based on what fits best for us with own systems, processes and assets, independently from what already exists.” https://www.automotivemanufacturingsolutio...9.article? |
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27th Jan 2021 9:48am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5804  
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Here in lies the problem. I don't think it's that Ratcliffe wouldn't want to build in the UK, it's more about all the intangibles that come with choosing that site over the Welsh plant. Mainly, I suspect, that it's already a modern car factory rather than dated battery factory, but also that Mercedes are pumping cash in, (couldn't see that happening in Wales), that with Magna Steyr's involvement much of the parts must have supply chains already within/into the EU, perhaps even similar German language suppliers to Merc, (even if there's no actual cross pollination of those parts or assembly lines), common language between Magna Steyr designers and engineering management at Hambach and then of course you've got the new rule being imposed by the EU saying a car produced in the UK cannot be deemed EU compliant (for free tarif purposes) if a large number of parts are made outside the EU, somlogic dictates you make the car in the EU in the first place. So, less 'not wanting' to build in the UK, just that thanks to Brexit and the rules covering the automotive sector, it has, by default, become unviable. Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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27th Jan 2021 11:04am |
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