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blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17342

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

MK wrote:
Does anyone knows where is the geometry gone wrong? I have read Dave´s observations but I do not think they are conclusive. Maybe they are but I do not get it. Gearbox end, extension casing or T box?

I think that any alignment issue is most likely to originate with the extension housing.

I was apprehensive when I changed my transfer box at 150k miles that I might introduce problems, but that was nearly 100k ago and my original shafy is still going strong. I will be fitting a new clutch soon (as soon as I have finished replacing the gearbox on my Disco2) and it will be interesting to see what my original shaft looks like at nearly 250k miles.

17th Apr 2019 6:54am

nitram17

Member Since: 08 Jun 2014
Location: newcastle
Posts: 2261

ashtrans wrote:
hank wrote:
I fitted Ashcroft when replacing the clutch and so far very happy

Yes there is a price difference but this outweighs the cost of doing it again and again if you intend to keep hold of the vehicle for at length of time

not only the cost of doing it again but it may fail at a bad time, ie all loaded up with your family about to set off on summer holiday, hard to put a price on this.

If you are so confident in your product why dont you put a free replacement and fitting offer on your product if it fails withon a fixed ? milage?I personally think most would pay the extra for peace of mind!

19th Apr 2019 2:16pm

ashtrans
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Member Since: 08 Nov 2008
Location: Harpenden
Posts: 257

Hi Nitram17,

we are confident in our solution to this problem,

we have sold 2342 of these kits to date and had zero back with any spline wear, Dave

23rd Apr 2019 12:02pm

R1200GS

Member Since: 12 Jul 2015
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 265

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Keswick Green

Great, just what I wanted to hear !

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My 90 4 weeks ago (16588miles from new......)

23rd Apr 2019 4:34pm

keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2211

Just bloody great....
First day away for the holidays and the feckkin output shaft has blown again, for the 3rd time since 2012. Stuck by the side of the road with the kids and dog in Aviemore. Awaiting recovery as we write. Unbelievable, end of holidays then for us as it’ll have to the 4 hrs home.

Keith

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24th May 2019 3:59pm

keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2211

Quick and smooth recovery operation from Ross’s Garage.
Even brought us a car for free to continue our holiday.

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So it’s gonna be a costly fix again then.
Keith

24th May 2019 5:14pm

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3639

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

Bad luck Kieth, are you going to replace it with Ashcroft parts DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

24th May 2019 5:27pm

keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2211

Ooooooh the Big output shaft debate.

First 2 were replaced by the stealers so I’m part of the debate now.
No shortage of opinions on which is now best, Ashcroft with its 3000 happy modified customers or Luke at LOF clutches saying that all his cars and customers are using the genuine LR uprated shaft.
Well, I spoke to Luke at LOF today , awesome customer care and great advice. I’d better get my finger outa my backside and get an order in ASAP.
I’ll keep you updated.
Keith

24th May 2019 6:34pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6298

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

I've not read all of this topic yet - I will do but I think I have the solution!!

do away with the adapter shaft and replace it with a rubber tube with a jubilee clip either end - this will obviously over come and issues re; tolerance

ps obviously it would need to be quite strong. stronger than a mc donalds milkshake straw for example

and for those of you thinking that's a pants idea it may just be better than JLR's solution

joking aside very interesting - thank you.

Keith, really sorry to hear of you bad luck re the shaft. hope you can some how salvage the holiday.

24th May 2019 6:59pm

keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2211

^

“ joking aside very interesting - thank you. “

Coming from the 600miles is possible man

Well I gotta have something make me laugh mate. I’ve been in tears since 3pm.
Keith

24th May 2019 7:04pm

boxoftricks

Member Since: 06 Feb 2019
Location: Home Counties
Posts: 747

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver

keith wrote:
Ooooooh the Big output shaft debate.
First 2 were replaced by the stealers so I’m part of the debate now.
No shortage of opinions on which is now best, Ashcroft with its 3000 happy modified customers or Luke at LOF clutches saying that all his cars and customers are using the genuine LR uprated shaft.
Well, I spoke to Luke at LOF today , awesome customer care and great advice. I’d better get my finger outa my backside and get an order in ASAP.
I’ll keep you updated.
Keith

I’m going genuine with a LOF clutch! Figured I’d change it same time as the clutch after 100k Miles. Interested to see what the state of the original one is in....

24th May 2019 7:36pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17342

What is different about the "upgraded" genuine shaft?

I don't think JLR has ever changed the design of this part, the only difference was the addition of a sacher of lube.

24th May 2019 9:03pm

Retroanaconda

Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2637

Not sure what’s more intriguing - the fact that Land Rover were able to bodge the fitting of the gearbox so spectacularly in the first place, or that people even consider not fitting the Ashcroft kit after they’ve gone to the trouble of fixing the bodge.

24th May 2019 9:30pm

lohr500

Member Since: 14 Sep 2014
Location: Skipton
Posts: 1315

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

I no longer have the Defender, but if I did and the output shaft failed, I would definitely fit the Ashcroft solution.

If, as suspected, the issue is caused by poor alignment, then surely any solution which relies on a one time application of grease is only going to prolong the time between failures. Won't the grease dry out/get pushed out over time?

The time/hassle/cost of getting the box out to replace the shaft would more than offset the extra cost of the Ashcroft kit in my opinion.

25th May 2019 8:19am

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1398

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Re, Genuine Uprated shafts. - if there is such a thing, or if it is just a dab of lube paste.

Does anyone know when this fix was introduced?
It certainly doesn't fix the problem completely. Our forum survey has had replies with failures of shafts with the blue paste.
There is also a high number of 2015 models that have failed.

Personally, I wouldn't take the risk with a Landrover part, if it has gone once it will go again at similar milage.

Keith, sorry to hear of your troubles, and multiple failures.
Can you confirm the milage when each failure occurred please.
I'm sure it will be a repeating pattern.

Thanks.

25th May 2019 10:06am

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