Zagato wrote:

.... That would make more sense, although the mechanics thought it was an extension piece - hopefully they are wrong. One of them thought the capping's were still galvanised so they could well be wrong

Wow, that's not a dealership, that's a museum!



For those interested in the evolution of the engines, as posted above the first were 1600 with overhead inlet and side exahust valves (known as "inlet over exhaust" or IOE). Then came the 2 litre, which initially was a bored out 1600 (the so-called siamesed block, since there was no water jacket between each pair of cylinders) but which soon was altered to the 'proper' 2 litre with adequate cooling.

The engine which became the classic "2.1/4 litre" first appeared as the 2 litre diesel, the first Land-Rover engine to have all overhead valves. This then evolved from the 2L diesel to the 2.1/4 petrol, then the 2.1/4 diesel (both actually 2286cc). About this time the 2.6 litre petrol came along for a relatively short time, which was in effect a six cylinder version of the 1600 IOE engine and was a real sweetie when new, a gorgeous engine!

The "six" was dropped when the Stage 3 V8 appeared, at whcih time the options were 2286cc petrol or diesel (the 2.1/4 litre 4 cylinder) or 3.5 litre V8.

Then both 2286 units became 2.5 litres, the diesel gained a turbo, the 4-cylinder petrol was dropped for UK markets, and the 2.5 TD became firstly the 200TDi then the 300TDi, which were both still 2.5 litre.

Then the 300TDi was superseded by Project Iceberg, the 5-cylinger 2.5 litre TD5 with all electronic engine management, and all die-hard enthusiasts said the world had come to an end because the electronics would be unreliable and the engine would be unmaintainable

Then the V8 was dropped from the range, and the world wept.

Then the 2.5 litre TD5 was superseded by the 2.4 litre 4-cylinder TDCi and all die-hard enthusiasts said the world had come to an end because the super-reliable and highly-tunable TD5 they were now all driving was obsolete.

So now the 2.4 TDCi is being dropped, and all die-hard enthusiasts are saying the world is coming to an end again.

blackwolf wrote:

Then the 300TDi was superseded by Project Iceberg, the 5-cylinger 2.5 litre TD5 with all electronic engine management, ...

I think you mean Project Storm. And somewhere in there (96-99), LRSA put in the 2.8i from the BMW 328, and that was the sweetest engine of them all.  --
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Naks wrote:

blackwolf wrote:

Then the 300TDi was superseded by Project Iceberg, the 5-cylinger 2.5 litre TD5 with all electronic engine management, ...

I think you mean Project Storm. And somewhere in there (96-99), LRSA put in the 2.8i from the BMW 328, and that was the sweetest engine of them all.

Martin wrote:

Iceberg was the planned (and shelved) diesel variant of the Rover V8 petrol.

blackwolf wrote:

Martin wrote:

Iceberg was the planned (and shelved) diesel variant of the Rover V8 petrol.

Of course, thank you!

What an engine that would have been, indeed, apparently, was, since several prototypes were built. IIRC it was being built in conjunction with Perkins of Peterborough, shortly before the latter became subsumed into the Caterpillar conglomerate.

If only....

BigMike wrote:

I bet you lads are fun at parties

You think I get invited to parties? Fat chance!

Can't imagine why not...

discocuzzy wrote:

God im missing that Puma engine and gearbox.......used to look forward to the sound of emptying a bag of spanners over the drive on start up, then as she settled down to idle sounding like a T34 tank, i would slip the precision gear selector into 1st and power off into the sunset............

With my latest LR product...the D4 "Miami Vice"..3.0ltr twin turbo V6 mated to a silky smooth 6 speed auto 245bhp on tap and enough torque to pull the all of the spice girls pants off (mel b is a trollope so she dont count)

Its got a great secret compartment as well to assist with stealthy drug dealing

Sonic3d wrote:

Couldn`t of put it better myself

Why dont you two get a room  130's have feeling's as well you know

AndrewS wrote:

discocuzzy wrote:

God im missing that Puma engine and gearbox.......used to look forward to the sound of emptying a bag of spanners over the drive on start up, then as she settled down to idle sounding like a T34 tank, i would slip the precision gear selector into 1st and power off into the sunset............

With my latest LR product...the D4 "Miami Vice"..3.0ltr twin turbo V6 mated to a silky smooth 6 speed auto 245bhp on tap and enough torque to pull the all of the spice girls pants off (mel b is a trollope so she dont count)

Its got a great secret compartment as well to assist with stealthy drug dealing

Sonic3d wrote:

Couldn`t of put it better myself

Why dont you two get a room

There only wishing they had a range rover

But im with them

Quote:

So now the 2.4 TDCi is being dropped, and all die-hard enthusiasts are saying the world is coming to an end again.

The only engine to lust after in a defender was the v8...that was my most favourite enjoyable car.

It laughed at others off road - poked fun at people on road and sounded so so good when you tickled the go button

Stick in a v8 (ideally a 5l SC v from the factory and ill be there and it will be my weekend fun car Mike

mse wrote:

AndrewS wrote:

discocuzzy wrote:

God im missing that Puma engine and gearbox.......used to look forward to the sound of emptying a bag of spanners over the drive on start up, then as she settled down to idle sounding like a T34 tank, i would slip the precision gear selector into 1st and power off into the sunset............

With my latest LR product...the D4 "Miami Vice"..3.0ltr twin turbo V6 mated to a silky smooth 6 speed auto 245bhp on tap and enough torque to pull the all of the spice girls pants off (mel b is a trollope so she dont count)

Its got a great secret compartment as well to assist with stealthy drug dealing

Sonic3d wrote:

Couldn`t of put it better myself

Why dont you two get a room

There only wishing they had a range rover

But im with them

Quote:

So now the 2.4 TDCi is being dropped, and all die-hard enthusiasts are saying the world is coming to an end again.

The only engine to lust after in a defender was the v8...that was my most favourite enjoyable car.

It laughed at others off road - poked fun at people on road and sounded so so good when you tickled the go button

Stick in a v8 (ideally a 5l SC v from the factory and ill be there and it will be my weekend fun car

Agree  130's have feeling's as well you know

Quote:

By the way, for you clip board holding train spotters, LR customer service says they are "aware of rumours on the internet about a 2.2 engine for the defender. However, no decision has been taken, no announcements have been made within the company, and we would expect to appraise the 2.2 for at least 12 months prior to making such a decision. And by the way, the Defender in 2.4 TdCI guise will be available for the 2012 MY, is available to order now for the 2012 MY, and no other derivative will be available.

so there