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Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
The old JK wrangler started at well under £40k

No UK price released yet for the JL, but in Germany the 4dr Rubicon is Euro 56,000 - or about £50k
A low spec 3dr might just scrape in under £40k. Sad
For a 4cyl Fiat engine. Not the US Pentastar V6 Sad

Jimny is looking better every day.
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Maybe the new ones will be a bit less expensive in Holland...

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Shocked

That's 4 times the US price!

33,990 plus tax Rolling with laughter
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skyrover wrote:
Land Rover introduced full time 4wd as they did not want to spend the money upgrading their axles.

So instead of sending 100% power to the back, it was split 50/50 allowing them to retain swiss cheese axles while introducing more powerful engines.

It was marketed as a feature.

Full time 4wd is not necessary for everyday tarmac driving and has an impact on fuel economy and wear/tear.


I know why they did it, but disagree with every part of your last sentence.
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pcoote



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skyrover wrote:
It needs IMO:

Full Ladder Chassis
Body sections mounted via rubber mounts
Much stronger solid axles
The current defender wheel bolt pattern
Selectable 2wd/4wd transfer case
Modular construction (pickup, soft top, hard top etc)
Easy to bolt things to, drill holes etc
Longer and wider than the current vehicle
A naturally aspirated petrol V8
No canbus system
A cable operated throttle
Removable carpets/rubber mats
Galvanized steel components

This would IMO be the best mass produced offroad vehicle on the planet and would justify land rovers claims.


Sounds good, can I also suggest a couple of additions to the above;

1) 2 front opening vents below the windscreen, with a fly strainer.
2) Mechanical high/low ratio gear box
Post #722720 10th Aug 2018 5:34pm
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blackwolf wrote:
skyrover wrote:
Land Rover introduced full time 4wd as they did not want to spend the money upgrading their axles.

So instead of sending 100% power to the back, it was split 50/50 allowing them to retain swiss cheese axles while introducing more powerful engines.

It was marketed as a feature.

Full time 4wd is not necessary for everyday tarmac driving and has an impact on fuel economy and wear/tear.


I know why they did it, but disagree with every part of your last sentence.


Please explain why.

Jeep has had fully functioning full time 4wd systems in it's products since the 80's yet has stuck with 2wd/4wd in it's hard-core offroader
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"Sounds good, can I also suggest a couple of additions to the above;

1) 2 front opening vents below the windscreen, with a fly strainer.
2) Mechanical high/low ratio gear box"

While a series 3 with a v8 engine swap was fun in the 1980s, time really has moved on.
If that's what people want today, it is still possible to build one.

I'd agree with a mechanical high/low gearbox selection lever though and a proper handbrake.
No need to over complicate things that work ok.
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Ramajama



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Freypal wrote:
Just had a look and to be fair the Wrangler starts at just under 40k too...

Wranglers are very over priced. The brand is so profitable that it drawrfs it’s sister companies in profit margin. I don’t have a single problem with healthy margins but I find Wranglers very hard to justify. They have very low towing and payload ratings and they’re pretty much useless for anything other than off roading or daily driving. For a lot of people that fits the bill but I need more out of a vehicle. The new Defender does have to half world beating tow ratings but I hope It has decent capacities at least.
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
Have Jeep answered our prayers?...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmUwa2DHYFU/ 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
It's well known in the States that a Jeep pickup is due in 2019.
Engine options include a 3.0 V6 diesel that will also be available in the Wrangler 4dr.
Not sure if either of them will be available in Europe.

This forum is very well connected, with lot of info from inside the factory, like the chassis frame pictures.
Maybe the forum is run from inside FCA, stoking interest in new products? Whistle Wink

https://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/2019-jt-truck-frames-spied/

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com

Compare that to JLR that only ever says, "We used to build series 1's, 70 years ago."
Post #722964 11th Aug 2018 10:01pm
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Post #746726 21st Dec 2018 10:53am
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France 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
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DC100 it is then?????
Confused
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AndrewS



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red
Thumbs Up However thats an old image

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1536&...amp;tbas=0 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
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CR



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Ireland 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Santorini Black
I bet it is won't be million miles away, looking at the shape of the mule
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