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RoddyK05

Member Since: 08 Apr 2015
Location: Inverclyde
Posts: 633

Heavy duty or single piece half shafts?

So, with the prospect of replacing the rear drive members only a year after they were last replaced, I am wondering what route to go down.
I’ve done searches on here and a few different ideas come up. I suppose my options are:-
1]. Fit standard drive flanges and give a good coating of grease.
2]. Fit heavy duty (possibly Ashcroft) drive flanges and grease up.
3]. Replace the half shafts with HD ones and fit HD flanges, remove the inner oil seals and let them be oil lubricated.
4]. Fit one piece half shaft / drive flanges and forget about it.

Any other set ups that I haven’t mentioned?
On the one piece setup, what are my options for these. I have read that I can fit a set from a 300 Disco, or there are genuine LR items which cost a small fortune. Any others making a GOOD single piece unit?

The 90 is used mainly as a car with next to no off reading. Towing a caravan and carrying dogs are as much as it does for work. So I’m looking for what others have done to eliminate the problem of worn drive flanges and recommendations of what to avoid doing.

11th Mar 2018 8:48pm

UtilityTruck

Member Since: 09 Jan 2014
Location: Oxford
Posts: 463

My standard 110 drive shafts with the separate drive flanges lasted about 2 years. LR replaced them under warranty with the late-spec one piece shafts, so far they’re still going strong after another 2 years.. happy so far! 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2

11th Mar 2018 9:00pm

miker

Member Since: 13 Sep 2015
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1763

I'd replace with the one-piece shafts if I could, one less place to have slop.

Sadly I have a Salisbury back axle, so I need to replace that as well to swap shafts!

11th Mar 2018 10:03pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17382

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

In 220,000 miles I got through 2 sets of standard 2-piece, 1 set of Ashcroft HD, and am now running genuine one-piece. The latter are favourite but, strewth, do they cost a lot!

11th Mar 2018 10:55pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4785

I have 1 piece half shafts on my 90. 130k miles so far and still fine

2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
1990 Vogue SE
Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200
Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html
Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html
RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html
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11th Mar 2018 10:59pm

diesel_jim

Member Since: 13 Oct 2008
Location: hiding
Posts: 6092

I think, I'm not 100% sure, that the 110 and 130 have a different part number to the 90 spec one piece shafts, But I was wondering if disco 1 piece (or 90) shafts can be fitted to a 110? (With a Rover/P38 diff axle ,naturally)

Or are they not strong enough?

12th Mar 2018 7:12am

familymad

Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
Posts: 3481

2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

I went one piece and the clunking noises have stopped and not returned after 10k hard miles. Previously was going through a set as a service item every 2/3yrs. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI

12th Mar 2018 7:25am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8029

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Black wolf, your Ashcroft shafts that you wore out, where and how?

spline end on drive member?

was that std drive members or ashcroft ones?

on mine i am running Ashcroft shafts and std drive members, i just change the drive members every year. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

12th Mar 2018 10:00am

Scotm

Member Since: 28 Feb 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 666

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Orkney Grey

Any thoughts on where is best value to buy on line the 110 single piece shafts?

12th Mar 2018 12:57pm

RoddyK05

Member Since: 08 Apr 2015
Location: Inverclyde
Posts: 633

Not seeing a lot of love for the two piece setup either standard or HD. So, with that in mind, what's the most cost effective way to get 1 piece shafts? I really don't want to go down the new LR route as my pockets are not nearly deep enough. Who makes a single piece unit that is also a GOOD unit, or is second hand the way to go? Plenty Disco half shafts on eBay, is this a viable long term fix? Also, does any 1 piece Disco shaft fit?

12th Mar 2018 2:37pm

roel

Member Since: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Lelystad
Posts: 2039

I had 24 spline single piece in my CT Disco. I broke some due to my Detroit locker.
Also they don't like bearing play.
I have a feeling that the 2 piece shafts are stronger as the one pece shafts broke at the flange side and my 2 piece shaft break at the diff side most off the time.
I have Aschroft with HD flanges in the rear off my 90. and they last. I put gear oil in the caps regularly. Roel

1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001)
1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009)
2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts.
2003 90 Td5 (2009-now)

12th Mar 2018 2:43pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17382

jst wrote:
Black wolf, your Ashcroft shafts that you wore out, where and how?

spline end on drive member?

was that std drive members or ashcroft ones?

on mine i am running Ashcroft shafts and std drive members, i just change the drive members every year.

I had a water/mud ingress problem which annoyingly wrecked an ATB and caused fretting to the diff end of the shafts. Although usable I replaced the with one-piece when I repaired the axle.

12th Mar 2018 2:58pm

Lotus_esprit_s1

Member Since: 01 Oct 2014
Location: Uk
Posts: 201

RoddyK05 wrote:
Not seeing a lot of love for the two piece setup either standard or HD. So, with that in mind, what's the most cost effective way to get 1 piece shafts? I really don't want to go down the new LR route as my pockets are not nearly deep enough. Who makes a single piece unit that is also a GOOD unit, or is second hand the way to go? Plenty Disco half shafts on eBay, is this a viable long term fix? Also, does any 1 piece Disco shaft fit?

If you have a 90, second hand disco 300tdi shafts are fine. They are a slightly narrow diameter that the two piece shafts but the same diameter where the seals run.
It needs to be from a 300tdi disco or 300tdi defender. The disco 200 used a different halfshaft and early ones were 12 spline diffs.

I have run them in five different Defender td5 and Puma 90 I have owned over the past 12 years with no issues. They were fine for the disco v8 back then.

You could probably pull a pair out of a scrap 300 disco for a tenner!

14th Mar 2018 6:13am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8029

blackwolf wrote:
jst wrote:
Black wolf, your Ashcroft shafts that you wore out, where and how?

spline end on drive member?

was that std drive members or ashcroft ones?

on mine i am running Ashcroft shafts and std drive members, i just change the drive members every year.

I had a water/mud ingress problem which annoyingly wrecked an ATB and caused fretting to the diff end of the shafts. Although usable I replaced the with one-piece when I repaired the axle.

cheers, so there was no issue DM end then. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

14th Mar 2018 7:54pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17382

No a little wear but quite serviceable still.

14th Mar 2018 10:12pm

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