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| Alien Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Bacchus Marsh Posts: 230  
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Sorry to hear of this happened.
Not sure so much it was us talking about it or folk not listening 
At least it happened close to home with no tow trucks involved, little consolation but we must look at the positives. Don't' forget a picture once it's apart, I'm starting to suspect it's occurring where the sirclip is not fully engaged on both sides. Cheers, Kyle. |
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9th Jun 2016 5:47am |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785 
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Jeez,..another one,...., and what about the ones we don't know about?!.....surely this issue qualifies for a recall now?!
Pickles. |
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9th Jun 2016 6:00am |
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| Crofter Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Peterhead Posts: 169  
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Yes I was lucky I had been away at the week end caravanning which had broken then it would have been a lot of trouble getting 110 and caravan recovered.
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9th Jun 2016 7:38am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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It is likely to be. Get the vehicle safely back on the ground, and with the help of an assistant if possible put it in gear on tickover with the handbrake off but footbrake hard on and look underneath. If either propshaft is rotating, then something's failed in the axle that the rotating propshaft is connected to (halfshaft/drive flange failures are common). If neither propshaft is rotating, then it is most likely to be the output adaptor shaft as discussed in this thread, although it could be a gearbox or transfer box failure. Output shaft failures are far more common though. As for a recall, I think that there is virtually zero chance of that. There is an ever decreasing number of Defender still under warranty, and if LR didn't do a recall when the vehicle was in production they certainly won't now. Although we hear of a totally unacceptable number of failures of this shaft, I haven't heard of a single failure (at least not yet) where people have died as a result. At the moment the failures are hugely inconvenient (and expensive) for the owner but the safety implications are largely theroetical. As I have seaid before, I doubt that there will be any interest from LR unless there is a very serious incident and the media picks up that LR have known about this since 2007 and done nothing effective - for example a broken Defender derailing a train on a level crossing. Then there might be a reaction. Please note that I am not saying that this is right nor acceptable, I think that LR should have engineering a proper solution to this second-rate and inadequate design, and at the very least fitted it free of charge to customers who requested it (like they did with the 2007 TDCi sump problem, though they only did that during the warranty period). Not LR's finest moment by any means. |
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9th Jun 2016 7:55am |
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| Crofter Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Peterhead Posts: 169
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Thanks I will do as you suggest.
I am going to check the points you mention. Thomas |
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9th Jun 2016 7:58am |
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| Crofter Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Peterhead Posts: 169
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The problem seems to be the splines on the half shaft and the adaptor rear offside (I think that's what it was called). A new adaptor and shaft have been ordered and I have to go and pick them up tomorrow.
This may be a stupid question but I do not understand why the landy would not drive forward as I thought they had 4 wheel drive and I thought the front wheels would have still turned and pulled the vehicle forward. Secondly if I had selected locked dif could I have driven on slowly in get home mode? I have always been warned about driving on the road in dif lock. Thomas |
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9th Jun 2016 7:15pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3645 
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yes with that failure diff lock would have got you home just fine in front wheel drive, it would not cause any damage to centre diff as the rear would not be driving or winding up the transmission DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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9th Jun 2016 7:23pm |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
hasnt someone on here got a grease nipple set up on the shaft housing?Might be an option!
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9th Jun 2016 8:27pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127 
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That will be me!
I grease it when I do the prop UJs, once every few months. Seems to be working, I find I get no clunk, or drive train noise like I used to 
 Click image to enlarge 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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9th Jun 2016 8:36pm |
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| ter11 Member Since: 28 Oct 2015 Location: Zurich Posts: 26  
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Now that's a cool idea! But how do you access the half shaft's nipple to add grease there?
BR Ter |
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9th Jun 2016 9:02pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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Drill and tap a hole in the bottom of the casing.
Can be a bit tricky to get the grease nipples to the correct point, but it seems to work ok! 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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9th Jun 2016 9:22pm |
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| nosnibod Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: West Midlands Posts: 370 
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Took mine into the main dealers the morning. Shaft hasn't failed but a leaking rear crank seal means it's gearbox is coming out anyway - and I've got loads of backlash.
Dealer is checking the shaft and nodded knowingly when I mentioned it as being the most likely cause of the backlash. I'll report back on what they find... Dave Green Goddess - 1998 Defender 110 300tdi |
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9th Jun 2016 9:26pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785
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So, if someone breaks down with this issue, they can just engage the diff lock, and even, as in my case, I had 200ks to go, there'd be no damage, even with that broken spline/coupling whirring around? Any limit on the speed you can travel at? Pickles. |
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9th Jun 2016 9:58pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785
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Hello Dave, from Aussie. What an amazing coincidence, "Gracie" is also the name of our Defender!! Here she is. Pickles. |
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9th Jun 2016 10:15pm |
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