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CFB



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TJ101 wrote:
Biggest error is down to what tyres you are running, My last few thousand has been with the 255/85's on,, so my trip is about right,, On standard tyres, you are in fact doing more miles than the trip says



On standard tyres surely it is more accurate Confused

Oversized tyres will throw it for sure. Andy
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As said, my calculations are only basic - fill up, zero trip, fill up again, zero trip again etc., just using the pump's 2nd click-off. However, after each fill the average will gain in accuracy...

One count so far - 47 litres, 301 miles = 29 mpg.

I have no idea how accurate the odometer is though (standard tyres) - I will have to compare with the satnav when I remember.
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Just filled up this morning, only reading 352 on the odometer and just under 1/4 of a tank left.
I put exactly 48.27 litres in as I have the receipt in front of me...

48.27 / 4.54 = 10.63 gallons

352 / 10.63 = 33.1 MPG

Rich...

ps vehicles done 21k if that helps
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If I can get that, or close I will be very happy indeed. Andy
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The biggest saving for me (like with most vehicles) was changing my driving style so that I accelerated gently and changing up at around 2>2.2k rpm's. I spend most of my time around 55mph on A roads but I do go up to 70 on motorways. Another thing that I haven't mentioned before on this thread anyway is that a use fully synthetic oil, a version that is supposed to be good for fuel efficiency and meets all of fords requirements.

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-991-fuchs-tita...e-oil.aspx
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mrwoo wrote:
The biggest saving for me (like with most vehicles) was changing my driving style so that I accelerated gently and changing up at around 2>2.2k rpm's. I spend most of my time around 55mph on A roads but I do go up to 70 on motorways. Another thing that I haven't mentioned before on this thread anyway is that a use fully synthetic oil, a version that is supposed to be good for fuel efficiency and meets all of fords requirements.

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-991-fuchs-tita...e-oil.aspx


There is always 2 schools of thought with this - one keep the revs high and two keep the revs low.

Smooth is about the only common sense one. ALthough i dont care much...dare i say give me my fuel before it all runs out Shocked Laughing

Anyway back to MPG i use this site http://www.robinwhite.fsnet.co.uk/conv/mpg.htm and i know that it returns me around about 27mpg for my fueling and driving with all the kit on.

I like the measuring technique of fill up and measure miles then refill problem is this:
1) you never put the same amount in
2) when you put just a little in and refill your mpg will go up!

on point 2 i have done this on our 4 cars and if i fill up do about 50 - 100 miles refill and measure the mpgs are really high, especially the lower miles you have done Mike
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mse wrote:

I like the measuring technique of fill up and measure miles then refill problem is this:
1) you never put the same amount in
2) when you put just a little in and refill your mpg will go up!


This is true, but the point is that over 1000s of miles it will give you quite an accurate average.
I.e. if after 10 fill-ups, you have put in a total of 470-odd litres (fill-to-fill) and recorded 3000-odd miles, the initial re-fueling innaccuracy will be negligable.
So you keep track of all miles & all litres.
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Ads90 wrote:
mse wrote:

I like the measuring technique of fill up and measure miles then refill problem is this:
1) you never put the same amount in
2) when you put just a little in and refill your mpg will go up!


This is true, but the point is that over 1000s of miles it will give you quite an accurate average.
I.e. if after 10 fill-ups, you have put in a total of 470-odd litres (fill-to-fill) and recorded 3000-odd miles, the initial re-fueling innaccuracy will be negligable.
So you keep track of all miles & all litres.


I agree - i use this method, so have no complaints and when i want to fool myself into at 38mpg figure i wait until 20 miles and fill up Laughing Mike
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I fill mine to 1" of the filler cap every time, so there must only be 200ml or so in it each time
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mrwoo wrote:
I fill mine to 1" of the filler cap every time, so there must only be 200ml or so in it each time

This is the most accurate way (for a single reading) - although when I tried it, I ended up with diesel flavoured strides all day, so I don't any more! Rolling Eyes
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mrwoo wrote:
I fill mine to 1" of the filler cap every time, so there must only be 200ml or so in it each time
Actually you may find you still arent

Replace the cap - move it a little and open it - by then the air will have made space and your level will have changed Mike
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Well my 110 Puma is back at the main Dealers having ABS/Etc. sensors replaced. They also found a faulty fuel switch, after much complaining that she was running rough sometimes. To be replaced under warranty also.

How much would the faulty fuel switch have effected my fuel consumption ? and anyone know where it is located ?

Nidge.
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Nidge wrote:

How much would the faulty fuel switch have effected my fuel consumption ?
Nidge.


No idea ?? but will be interested to see if you notice any difference,,
They keep telling me, their is nothing they can change/fix/adjust, to affect the fuel consumption Shocked California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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I,m regularly seeing 35+ MPG out of mine ! 90 CSW

I have just returned from a 4 day camping trip around the Dales and from empty to empty i got 285 miles from a tank full ! with a heavy laden trailer on the back !

I,ll fill her up tomorrow and see the official figures and keep a record for the tally !
will be some where in the twentys ? its the first time i have towed with this one and i did notice the consumption more !

The school of thought on the partial or heavy throttle is fatally flawed from my point of view !
I have a fast Audi and when its driven hard and at the same time smooth its MPG is shocking !
If i drive it conservatively it will return more than double the MPG.

Same with the DEFENDER ! however i do drive the 90 with conservative ease and always use part throttle and never over rev the thing. I dare say if i was to up the anti then consumption would drop ! no matter how linear the delivery.

I recently did the real world test from the Land rover magazine and using the Fill to brim conduct journey then fill to brim method i returned a very respectable figure ! better than the freelader 2 that they have tested.
there is no way on earth i could have made that journey filled back up and got a figure of late 30s ! DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN
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I used to have a Jensen Intercepter and a 109" 2286cc petrol Station Wagon.
Both weighed in at 1 3/4 Tons
Both did 17 mpg
The Jensen did 0 - 60 in 6 secs and 155 mph - why didn't the Land Rover?
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