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noworries4x4

Member Since: 24 Dec 2010
Location: Newton Abbot Devon
Posts: 1195

When mine was stolen the CITV shows the persons overriding the alarm at 23.40 about 2mins of a person lurking arround the vehicle, the 02.20 am large Merc van pulls up 2men 18 secs big crowbar staight into the slam panel gap piece of metal to protect the bonnet edge force the lock bonnt up to near vertical and 2 men straight off into the van gone seamless.
I know someone has tryed to have another go a couple of monts ago but this time the alarm went off due to my overides fitted listed here and my cycle lock cable also listed here.
I am having an idea using hotel window opening restraints as they are strong and secure, i got a load for my home to stop the ground floor windows being forced and to stop the dog getting out if the windows were left open. Quick secure simple i hope going to do some tests this weekend idea will be free to every one on here. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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20th Sep 2011 9:56pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Gil9713 wrote:
This is the option: http://www.gmb-mount.de/ appears to be too much money though look under Landrover Defender on the list and then click Haubenscharniere I never had the bonnet off, but clearly someone bought this German bit

With a little more thought this could have been an excellent piece of kit....and the manufacturers could have been onto an absolute 'cash cow!' I'll say it like it is.....To me it looks

!...Lesser of two evils, I suppose it depends on how vulnerable you consider your bonnet to be to theft whether you fit this piece of Meccano! For me personally it needs to look aesthetically pleasing too! If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

21st Sep 2011 9:39am

Gil9713

Member Since: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Colchester
Posts: 94

Don't mince your words mate

I do agree with you, but hey ho as I said before everyone is going to have a different view on this issue which should have been addressed by L/R.

I am still going for the one bolt I mentioned earlier I think to replace one of the existing M6X20mm bolts on the hinge on the outside of the bonnet, and then I am having two eight inch battery straps made up and crimped with a hole stamped out of the strap and attach one end to the underside of the one bolt of the bonnet and then use the magic nut on that, and attach the other end to the two closest bolts/nuts coming through the bodywork which are M6 as well and use another magic nut on that.

I have gone for 8 " Straps which give you the only plenty of space to open and service the L/R but doesn't let it go any further up into Vertical to be removed from the hinges.
I'll have it done by the weekend and put some pictures up.

21st Sep 2011 10:55am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17386

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

K9F wrote:
Gil9713 wrote:
This is the option: http://www.gmb-mount.de/ appears to be too much money though look under Landrover Defender on the list and then click Haubenscharniere I never had the bonnet off, but clearly someone bought this German bit

With a little more thought this could have been an excellent piece of kit....and the manufacturers could have been onto an absolute 'cash cow!' I'll say it like it is.....To me it looks !...Lesser of two evils, I suppose it depends on how vulnerable you consider your bonnet to be to theft whether you fit this piece of Meccano! For me personally it needs to look aesthetically pleasing too!

If you visit the manufacturer's website you will see that the Motorhaubenscharniere is designed to be used with their Halter für Wagenheber, and when the two items are combined the Scharniere makes a lot more sense - it is not designed as an anti-theft device. It definitely looks better in the black.

If you were to put your Wagenheber in the Halter, it might slow down the bonnet thief. Alternatively I guess you would lose your Wagenheber and your expensive Scharniere and Halter as well as the bonnet!

There are however some neat products on their website - I rather like the Gasdruckfedern concept, but I am not so keen on the Kotflügelbleche that is required with this. The top brackets for the Gasdruckfedern look neat, and this idea might be capable of development into an antitheft solution. The Staubox Kotflügel might have security uses too.

Interesting, food for thought.

21st Sep 2011 11:19am

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

^^^ I didn't understand much of that BW, it's lunchtime and I think my sugar levels must be low

Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW.

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21st Sep 2011 11:56am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17386

For readers with low sugar levels!

blackwolf wrote:
If you visit the manufacturer's website you will see that the Motorhaubenscharniere (hinge) is designed to be used with their Halter für Wagenheber (Hi-Lift Jack bracket), and when the two items are combined the Scharniere (hinge) makes a lot more sense - it is not designed as an anti-theft device. It definitely looks better in the black.

If you were to put your Wagenheber (Hi-Lift jack) in the Halter (brackets), it might slow down the bonnet thief. Alternatively I guess you would lose your Wagenheber (jack) and your expensive Scharniere (hinges) and Halter (brackets) as well as the bonnet!

There are however some neat products on their website - I rather like the Gasdruckfedern (gas strut) concept, but I am not so keen on the Kotflügelbleche (chequer-plate) that is required with this. The top brackets for the Gasdruckfedern (gas struts) look neat, and this idea might be capable of development into an antitheft solution. The Staubox Kotflügel (wing-top security box) might have security uses too.

Interesting, food for thought.

21st Sep 2011 12:07pm

Sockpuppet

Member Since: 17 Sep 2011
Location: Leicester
Posts: 479

What about fitting an old style bonnet support. If that was riveted surely it would stop the bonnet going vertical and would be (fairly) hard to remove?

21st Sep 2011 12:08pm

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

blackwolf wrote:
For readers with low sugar levels!

21st Sep 2011 12:41pm

Gil9713

Member Since: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Colchester
Posts: 94

BONNET THEFT SUGGESTION

Here are the photos of the conversion today which took 30 minutes hope its helpful to members using the bolts and nuts as mentioned earlier.
Gil

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22nd Sep 2011 6:01pm

Gil9713

Member Since: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Colchester
Posts: 94

Using 8" made up battery wire £5 and shrink wrapped at either end with correct looped end to accept the M6 bolts on the chassis and the bonnet, one screw used on the outer hinge with anti tamper nut underside.

A 10" steel clothes rod used with shrink wrap at either end to prevent rattling on front panel compartment fitted over bonnet release wire thereby preventing access to cut the wire.
Pic 1 N/S
Pic 2 O/S
Pic 3 Steel pole shrink wrapped either end fitted over bonnet release wire
Pic 4 Ditto
Pic 5 Showing 8 " battery straps
Pic 6 Showing one anti tamper screw head bonnet side
Pic 7 Label on front end

This would take some time now to be able to remove this bonnet now, but it is purely a delaying tactic as with ALL motor thefts and the devices employed. I have also got the clear backed labels in white lettering on the drivers glass without white backing.
Gil

22nd Sep 2011 6:09pm

mermoto

Member Since: 21 Sep 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 326

Gil9713 wrote:

Pic 7 Label on front end

This would take some time now to be able to remove this bonnet now, but it is purely a delaying tactic as with ALL motor thefts and the devices employed. I have also got the clear backed labels in white lettering on the drivers glass without white backing.
Gil

Gil9713 where did you get the stickers made up?

Mermoto

22nd Sep 2011 6:52pm

Gil9713

Member Since: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Colchester
Posts: 94

I have the technology and probably get a slap on the wrist from LR for making my own, but they should have tackled the bonnet problem in house and come up with easy cost effective update a long time ago.

22nd Sep 2011 7:53pm

warren

Member Since: 14 Oct 2009
Location: East Lancs.
Posts: 903

2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Santorini Black

Sockpuppet wrote:
What about fitting an old style bonnet support. If that was riveted surely it would stop the bonnet going vertical and would be (fairly) hard to remove?

Like this?

Click image to enlarge

I wondered the same before, but as someone said on here they could be pretty lethal if you were working under the bonnet and knocked it, or the wind blew it shut... Having said that if you could 'lock' it open I don't think it'd be as bad... apart from possibly getting in the way

22nd Sep 2011 11:50pm

Sockpuppet

Member Since: 17 Sep 2011
Location: Leicester
Posts: 479

warren wrote:
Sockpuppet wrote:
What about fitting an old style bonnet support. If that was riveted surely it would stop the bonnet going vertical and would be (fairly) hard to remove?

I wondered the same before, but as someone said on here they could be pretty lethal if you were working under the bonnet and knocked it, or the wind blew it shut... Having said that if you could 'lock' it open I don't think it'd be as bad... apart from possibly getting in the way

It worked all right for the last lot of defenders

Maybe even make it so you can use the old / new the only reason its there is to stop bonnet going vertical.

23rd Sep 2011 5:29am

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

warren wrote:
Sockpuppet wrote:
What about fitting an old style bonnet support. If that was riveted surely it would stop the bonnet going vertical and would be (fairly) hard to remove?

Like this?

Click image to enlarge

I wondered the same before, but as someone said on here they could be pretty lethal if you were working under the bonnet and knocked it, or the wind blew it shut... Having said that if you could 'lock' it open I don't think it'd be as bad... apart from possibly getting in the way

Yep, I've had them come down on me with and without a spare wheel mounted on them. Technically speaking even those supports are just held onto the bracket with a small split-pin and washer - 15 seconds with a pair of pliers and they're off. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW.

[Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc]

http://forums.lr4x4.com

I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic.

23rd Sep 2011 6:08am

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