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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94  
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Guys,
After a brain storming session this morning, we felt that the best way forward was to tackle the hinge end with some form of delaying tactics at a low cost and an easy solution for all levels of competence in doing a quick replacement job on the existing M6 X 20mm Hex bolts and nuts. To do a milled alloy dead block would be OK for us, but not an easy thing to replicate practically for all, so here goes: Four components are needed: 1. M6 PIN TORX 20mm Length Bolts which are countersunk come in packs of 10 and because the minimum quantity of these are packs of 10, was our reason for changing all six bolts on the existing bonnet.Price: £2.49 2. KINMAR Security nuts to go on these and again pack of 10 Price: £6.21 3. KINMAR Removable driver KM6R to take the nuts off the underside of the bonnet when removal is needed for access Price:£14.99 4. PIN TORX Driver to fit any drill for holding top of bolt on the outside as you tighten Price: £2.98 All these components plus VAT and delivery in UK Total £39.98 cheap when you consider a replacement bonnet in your L/R colour paint is £1395 plus VAT from a dealer I will do mine to ensure I have got it right and report back before the weekend with pics. The company is: http://www.securitysafetyproducts.co.uk/se...ew-group=5 speak to Glyn or Keith. The opening at the front will have to remain for some other bright spark out there to resolve, but at least this cheap option I feel will delay them enough to make it hard graft. Clearly by putting this on this open site, those that are "at it" will no doubt go prepared, but be warned, I respond with Reasonable Force whilst you are faffing about trying to remove our bonnets.  |
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20th Sep 2011 9:39am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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Your solution sounds absolutely superb for the doors... but unless I am missing something the bolts on the bonnet hinges are not an issue as they go with the bonnet when nicked. Once popped at the front the bonnet is whipped away bolts hinge (well 50% of it) 'n' all!
As aforementioned if the quick-lift off of the hinge issue could be sorted a potential producer would undoubtedly coin it in! If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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20th Sep 2011 9:47am |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Clearly you can't take the bonnet easily unless you get inside the vehicle and under the dash to release those bolts, are we talking about the same model, I took it they were all mounted the same as mine which is a 2009 Defender Puma.
This proposal is just a stalling tactic in any case. The alarm is there as a backup, but of course if your L/R is miles away from your home or dwelling I agree all of this is pointless anyway......just a suggestion, which I am going to try, and if it works change all the bolts and nuts probably everywhere else. The key to this is having the right drivers to release the nuts and bolts when you need to, which hopefully will be never once done!! |
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20th Sep 2011 9:55am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17475 
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Gil,
If you open the bonnet fully it will lift off its hinges without the need to unscrew anything. Thieves do not unscrew the bonnet, they simply open it and lift it off! Your method will prevent the hinges being uncrewed from the bonnet, but will not stop the bonnet (complete with hinges being stolen). |
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20th Sep 2011 10:32am |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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Definately different to the TD5 I had before it had a pin across the hinge and clearly this new model doesn't, so my apologies for the misleading advice, I think I will stick the bolt change on the hinges and place a bike type cable and lock both sides through the bonnet supports close to the cockpit, that should work I hope.
Feel a right mug thinking we had cracked it............  |
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20th Sep 2011 10:59am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17475
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Not to worry! I didn't realise that the TD5 vehicles (with bonnets no-one wants to steal) were thief-proof, and it is only the Pumas (with the desirable nick-able bonnets) that were designed to be lift off.
Next thing we'll prbably find out that LR designed it this way for H&S reasons so that there is no danger of the thieves hurting themselves by having to use dangerous tools to steal the bonnet. Out of interest, could you post a picture of your hinges so we can see the difference? |
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20th Sep 2011 12:11pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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I don't recall any of my Td5's or earlier models having a different arrangement, AFAIR they were able to be lifted off when in the vertical just like the Puma.
To my mind an ideal solution would be to prevent the bonnet being easily opened in the first place, back in the day people would fit hasps and padlocks to Series bonnets and fuel fillers and I recall doing just that to some of mine. As already mentioned some earlier 90 / 110's had barrel type external locks fitted to the bonnet / grille panel. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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20th Sep 2011 1:03pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17475
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That's what I thought! |
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20th Sep 2011 2:13pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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Totally agree John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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20th Sep 2011 3:41pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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I was scuttling around trying to find any close pics of the bonnet area of the TD5, but to no avail
I have been reliably informed it was a 2" bolt with Hexi head with a lock nut on the innerside with an alloy cover. Similar I believe to an earlier image put up on the thread which has now disappeared. The problem was it was all sprayed up when we got the TD5 so it looked and we believed it to be the norm. Clearly not. On a complete rethink, I am still going ahead with the bolts and nuts and incorporate an attack proof wire on the inside of the bonnet from the nuts going to the chassis. Update pics to follow when done |
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20th Sep 2011 5:08pm |
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| Sockpuppet Member Since: 17 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Posts: 479
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I'm just going to get one of those alarms from Phoenix nights.
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20th Sep 2011 6:04pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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 spot on mate |
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20th Sep 2011 6:14pm |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039  
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My bonnet of the TD5 and the 1984 90 are interchangable, at least at the hinch side. Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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20th Sep 2011 6:47pm |
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| Gil9713 Member Since: 11 Sep 2011 Location: Colchester Posts: 94
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The TD5 had what Dgardel has had fitted on his like minded thread........no bonnet stolen on the thread list.
The only difference was it was sprayed up, it did look like part of the motor. This is the option: http://www.gmb-mount.de/ appears to be too much money though look under Landrover Defender on the list and then click Haubenscharniere I never had the bonnet off, but clearly someone bought this German bit |
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20th Sep 2011 8:18pm |
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