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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
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It's an interesting debate around whether to restore to 'factory' finish or not, which I guess isn't such an issue with more ordinary classic cars. I think that because Land Rovers can lead such interesting and varied working lives, there's more of an interest in keeping the outward signs - the battle scars and patina. Darren

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17th Jan 2021 9:59am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

BaronDefenders wrote:
22900013A wrote:
The chassis number shows it's a 1958 built 59MY hence the 2.25 engine rather than 2 litre.
Must admit I'm in agreement with others, whilst it's a top notch resto I would have kept the original body style and paint on that particular donor.
The choice of body colour wheels is interesting. Although bronze green vehicles had matching wheels, other colours didn't aside from grey on very early 1958s (even then they were all factory use vehicles) but I guess it makes it distinctive?
I'm going for black wheels on my light green 88" as that was its company colour scheme. I can only hope mine ends up half as tidy as yours, something to aspire to!

Ah, makes sense then! It was registered in November ‘58, I think, but has a selection of parts from throughout ‘58. For example, I think the Serck radiator is stamped July. It does have a few Series 1 parts that were clearly still in supply. Of interest, the passenger side windscreen wiper motot is dated ‘60. Clearly an addition by the then owner!

In regards to the colour coded wheels, Philip Bashall was convinced it would have had them had. Whether or not it actually should have, I think they suit the vehicle matched!

I wonder where he got that idea from? i did look into it in quite some detail, only found evidence of bronze green vehicles and grey vehicles having them, outside of that would be special order, such as my SEB 109"s. The build card on my series III actually states "wheels to be completed in body colour" as it was not standard. They do seem to have experimented a bit in the very early series II days, for example there were more than one shades of grey paint available, for example a rather dark grey shade, but they were quickly dropped. Grey vehicles dod have grey wheels at the very start but again it was dropped very quickly. I was once told that blue vehicles had white wheels (as opposed to limestone) but I don't know how correct that is. There is a factory document somewhere which lists all the colour combinations. I've certainly never seen another light green vehicle with matching wheels that wasn't a special order. 2011 110 USW
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17th Jan 2021 10:21am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 899

2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

Yes I’m not sure, but he definitely said colour matched wheels were how it would have left the factory. Hmmm that’s interesting what you say about them being a special option. I’ll have to do some digging myself to see what I can find! Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

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17th Jan 2021 12:31pm

Slideywindows

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
Posts: 1286

BaronDefenders wrote:

Philip Bashall wanted to keep the bodywork as it was but fully restore the structural and mechanical elements..

It is your vehicle, but not taking Philip's advice (he does know a thing or two about values of old Land Rovers

) was a mistake, I'm afraid.

If used, the shininess will wear off and it will become an "older restoration".

With a vehicle that was so original (even the hard top with no windows is rare) the wisest choice would have been to keep it as original as possible, because there are an increasing number of restored/re-painted vehicles, and a decreasing number of nice, unmolested (or sympathetically brought back to life) originals.

Too late now though, and I hope you enjoy it - because it does look nice.

20th Jan 2021 1:36pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
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To some extent I would have to agree. But it was never the aim of the project to have the patina kept.

I think that if it had been kept looking as found, it would get used more than it does. It really ought to have PPF applied but maybe that’s something to consider in the future.

One thing I sorely regret is that there was a seriously low mileage (5,170) Series 1 LWB truck cab in the auction and I didn’t bid on it.

Click image to enlarge Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

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20th Jan 2021 4:45pm

Slideywindows

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
Posts: 1286

That barn find Series One 109" does seem a bit special, if that mileage is correct.

(I may be a tad biased though....)

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20th Jan 2021 5:58pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17450

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Haha, there can't be many of us on here who could tell from that photo that it is a 109" not a 107"!

20th Jan 2021 6:05pm

defender9

Member Since: 12 Mar 2016
Location: Fylde Coast
Posts: 1629

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

Radiator panel and horn position were the two most obvious ones to me

I have to say though that I don’t think I have seen the bonnet prop on that side on a 109 before.

20th Jan 2021 6:29pm

Slideywindows

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
Posts: 1286

Diesels on one side, petrols on the other?

The other interesting thing about that barn find is the sleeved holes in the No2 crossmember for fitting a capstan winch.

My diesel 109" doesn't have them.

20th Jan 2021 6:46pm

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20th Jan 2021 6:51pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 899

I’d love to know what’s happened to the 109” as I haven’t seen or heard anything about it since the auction in 2018.

I think the mileage was probably correct. It was kitted out with a tank and spraying equipment in the rear bed, so I suspect it spent its life just doing laps of the farm. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

20th Jan 2021 6:57pm

Fat Cog

Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Oxfordshire & Devon
Posts: 502

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

Just stumbled upon this thread & rather enjoyed viewing the rebuild & thought the finished article to be simply stunning, in fact beautiful!

The pros & cons of restoring to factory finish are I think a personal thing & in testament to this I had my XS serviced yesterday at EH Douglas Wardington (excellent indy if anyones local to Banbury area) & when I dropped it off I saw a lovely, shall we say 'patina'd' (is their such a word?) 88" Series 2 & enquired if it was a barn find, only to be told it was a daily runner & that it was just in for a routine service, it was equally beautiful in a working lived in sort of way & I wished I'd taken a photo to present to you all.

Finally, like the 109 mentioned, most of us have long lost Land Rovers & I often wonder what happened to my 1957 Series 1 496 NRF, its no longer on the DVLA data base so I'm assuming its long gone but I'm thinking of starting a thread 'Long lost Land Rovers...anyone know their whereabouts' as I'm sure with the plethora of knowledge & ownership history of folks on this forum many of the long lost Land Rovers will have passed through lots of hands...or am I being over optimistic?!?! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains

20th Jan 2021 7:31pm

seriesonenut

Member Since: 19 Nov 2014
Location: Essex
Posts: 1221

That's a great idea Fat Cog, I am still hunting one of mine! 1984 One-Ten CSW
2010 XS USW (sold)
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2

20th Jan 2021 7:34pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17450

The sleeved holes also indicate that it was a factory-fitted capstan.

20th Jan 2021 7:35pm

Fat Cog

Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Oxfordshire & Devon
Posts: 502

seriesonenut wrote:
That's a great idea Fat Cog, I am still hunting one of mine!

Seriesonenut...Yes its an obsession! The last sighting of my S1 was in Lancashire helping out towing a trailer for a house renovation, after that the trail went cold...I still live in hope its sat forlorn in a shed or similar somewhere just waiting for me...my wife has told, or rather instructed me on more than one occasion "just let it go"!!! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains

20th Jan 2021 7:39pm

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