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HK07

Member Since: 15 Dec 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 746

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Cairns Blue

200Tdi Starting Procedure

So we bought our 200Tdi 90 in June 2017 and if you just as much as touched the key it lept into life. We ran it around for two weeks before starting a total rebuild of the vehicle. We left the engine well alone as it was running so well.

During the summer this year the engine went back in and was started up 13 months after being switched off. It started second touch of the key and continued like before until the colder weather came.

The rebuild continues and it's not yet been back up to proper normal operating temperature.

Now if its left for a week or so, its tough to start, it always does, but its not like before. Once its been running, it's seems to be back to normal that day.

It must be the cold ambeant temperature, what is the correct way to start a 200Tdi in the cold please?

Many thanks.

Hk07 2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned.

1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned.

1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned.

11th Dec 2018 9:21am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

Turn the key to position 1 and listen for the click of the glow plug relay switching off before starting. Darren

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11th Dec 2018 9:34am

Les Brock

Member Since: 20 Mar 2012
Location: Stroud, Glos
Posts: 151

I just jump in and turn the key, no matter how cold it is I've never needed to wait fires straight away

Mine very often sits for weeks without being started it has to be said

11th Dec 2018 9:41am

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2229

1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

Like Mr Anorak, I wait until I hear the relay click off.
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11th Dec 2018 10:38am

Retroanaconda

Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2647

Technically you should start it when the glow plug light goes out, not when the relay clicks. It is designed to apply some post-start heating which is why the light goes out before the relay clicks.

However I would bet that the OP’s issue is not related to the glow plugs, more likely the fuel draining back from the injectors when left for a period. Check the leak-off lines, these are prone to either loosening off or the pipe degrading, both of which will cause air to get in and result in poor starting after being sat for a while.

11th Dec 2018 10:43am

HK07

Member Since: 15 Dec 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 746

Leak off lines, interesting.

Where are these, and what do they look like? I thought it was fuel related.

Many thanks 2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned.

1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned.

1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned.

11th Dec 2018 11:20am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

Retroanaconda wrote:
Technically you should start it when the glow plug light goes out, not when the relay clicks. It is designed to apply some post-start heating which is why the light goes out before the relay clicks.

My old 200tdi didn't have a glow plug light. I assumed they were all the same but mine's the only one of that particular model that I've driven. Darren

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11th Dec 2018 11:59am

c18rch

Member Since: 28 Nov 2012
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 28

1988 Defender 110 200 Tdi HT Keswick Green

Les Brock wrote:
I just jump in and turn the key, no matter how cold it is I've never needed to wait fires straight away

Mine very often sits for weeks without being started it has to be said

Likewise. Mine did 1500 miles last year. It has never not started on the first turn of the key. I never wait for the glow plug, just straight to start. 1988 110 200TDi Hard Top

11th Dec 2018 12:21pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8033

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

How old is the battery and is it perm on a trickle charge ? Cheers

James
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11th Dec 2018 1:07pm

Retroanaconda

Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2647

The leak off lines are the small diameter fuel pipes that run from each injector back down to the fuel injection pump. Not the metal hard lines but the rubber/plastic ones.

11th Dec 2018 1:38pm

HK07

Member Since: 15 Dec 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 746

The leak off lines are the small diameter fuel pipes that run from each injector back down to the fuel injection pump. Not the metal hard lines but the rubber/plastic ones.

Great - thanks. 2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned.

1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned.

1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned.

11th Dec 2018 2:54pm

HK07

Member Since: 15 Dec 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 746

jst wrote:
How old is the battery and is it perm on a trickle charge ?

New and yes.

Thanks 2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned.

1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned.

1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned.

11th Dec 2018 3:16pm

OJ

Member Since: 23 Nov 2018
Location: North of Edinburgh
Posts: 121

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

How does your 200 suffer from poor starting, you dont say, eg is it excessive cranking, misfiring initially on start up, lots of white smoke on startup? Colder weather does have an impact.

Was the timing belt changed recently when the engine was out?

As well as trying the other suggestions it might be worth getting the injector pump static timing checked properly by someone who knows about Land Rovers, this needs to be set correctly with a micrometer dial guage.

11th Dec 2018 6:39pm

HK07

Member Since: 15 Dec 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 746

Good point OJ

It cranks for sometime with no fiiring, does that twice and then on the 3rd go it fires a bit then starts and runs nicely and restarts with ease .

No white smoke at all, bit of black when it finally gets going.

Long story but timming belt was replaced short time before the rebuild started, so apart from a good clean, the engine was left well alone. Before reinstallation it had been left idle for 13 months, it fired straight into life with no bleeding or any tinkering, we just connected it all back up and bang it started. But that was in the summer.

Thanks for all your input fellas.

HK07 2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned.

1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned.

1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned.

12th Dec 2018 8:53am

Gilloverland

Member Since: 12 Nov 2017
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 61

Thats air in the fuel

12th Dec 2018 6:57pm

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