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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149   
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I spoke to my local Landrover man and the first thing my 110 will get is a coat of waxoyl. Mine IS a working truck, but I also intend to keep it and will probably just get something else to use when the 110 is 5 or 6 years old. 2011 110 USW
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13th Apr 2011 6:30pm |
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| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242 
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Hi Zagato.
After re-reading your post on things to do it appears maybe the salt chucked everywhere on the roads during Winter is the main problem. Living in Western Australia that's certainly not a problem and when I drive on the beach I give the vehicle a good wash afterwards anyway. No rust yet after 3 years and 113K although as it's a plastic Prado it may never happen! 
I must admit that although I drive (temporarily I tell myself) a Jap vehicle, I rarely check their forums but do know that they're not exactly fault free, but have yet to read about any vehicle that is so bad as some of the Defenders seem to be. Apart from Discos of course. 
Cheers. AlanH. PS. Apart from it's plasticky parts the Prado has been to some rough places without any hint of trouble except the nearside mirror shook loose on very bad corrugations. |
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14th Apr 2011 1:24am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Hi Alan, yes salt is a killer and really difficult to wash off completely. I wanted an example that hadn't been through a British winter and found mine after rejecting another 60 plate as it was so rusty already with only 2700 miles on the clock.
The Jap V LR discussion is eternal! My mechanic swears by his Nissans until recently. I sold him mine which gave nothing but trouble and couldn't justify the 1K bill to fix it so he bought it whilst his model was off the road. He then bought another one which also packed up and YES my 1962 LR which is used every day has not missed a beat in nearly two years now! We had a 3 year old Honda which had problems of windows not shutting (alignment or something!) and the clutch was never right. My father had two Suzuki's from new and has gone to a little Vauxhall of all things after the trouble with the Suzuki's. The gearbox linkage fell apart on one leaving them stranded - not good when you are nearly 80. Look at all the repeated Toyota recalls - not good. There are good and bad examples on both sides but you cannot argue with reliability figures. The Jap stuff is always at the top and Land Rover is still at the bottom however a lot of this is caused by the problems the Discovery and Defender had when it first came out - problems which are largely sorted now. My first choice of car for quality would have been a Nissan Patrol, it's still basically simple with regards to electronics and bulletproof BUT who wants a Nissan or any Jap car for that matter - they are soulless lumps of plastic. You couldn't get the long term buzz of ownership from a Jap motor that you can from a Defender. How many Jap car enthusiast magazines to you see on the shelves - say's it all. The Defender is about English heritage, it's about practical, adaptable simple design which can be owned with pride from whatever section of society you come from. Jap cars are just another car........I bet there are less owners clubs for all Jap marques put togeher in comparison to the multitude of LR clubs |
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14th Apr 2011 6:36am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034 
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I often wonder who devises these surveys and what they use to devise there info - and then how they make sure they have statistically sound data, lots of example of how they could skew the data. Me personally - every new ford we have had, has been more problematic than any other car. The VW's we had used to eat through sensors (had 1 MAF ever 4 months and a few MAPs etc) Mike |
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14th Apr 2011 6:43am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Interesting comparison between the Defender & Nissan Patrol here!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/gr...atrol.html & http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/gr...ender.html |
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14th Apr 2011 8:43am |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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I was a Patrol owner (3.3L turbo)...
Poor Patrol The engine propelled the Defender from 0-60mph in 12.7 seconds – nearly a second quicker than the Patrol – while in-gear performance was considerably better. Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition 
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14th Apr 2011 9:00am |
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| Yetiman Member Since: 13 Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 138
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I also think we need to look at the percentages of people who buy LR v Jap 4x4s for hard labour!
Don't get me wrong, I know that some Jap 4x4s are amazingly reliable...but then again some LRs are too. My point is that I would wager a higher percentage of Defenders get used for hard work on and off road than Japanese 4x4s. I don't know this for sure but you only have to look at the sheer number of such 4x4s on the school runs and sat in office car parks (or commuter traffic jams). A higher percentage of Defenders may lead a harder life. Work things harder, they break and pack up more often. Well that's what the missus tells me anyway 
Cheers  She's not old...just older |
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14th Apr 2011 9:36am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5034
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Plus more defenders (to include series, 90/110/127/130's) remain on the road for longer than any other car Mike |
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14th Apr 2011 10:11am |
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| DefenderOfTheEarth Member Since: 09 Nov 2010 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1304 
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The Jap 4x4 vs Defender thing is always a bit silly.
If you want a reliable 4x4 that's decent off road but sends you to sleep get a Landcruiser/Patrol/Shogun/whatever. If you want a 4x4 dripping with character, worthy of it's modern classic status, loved by everyone (except Jap 4x4 owners), able to tow the QE2 across land, brilliant in snow and ice and capable of doing most things a tractor can do (I view a Defender as a fast tractor, not an SUV) then get a Defender - just look after it! Quick dumb question - can you Waxoyl over painted areas like the door frames with the clear stuff? Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion. |
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14th Apr 2011 10:45am |
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| AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242
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You may see lots of Jap crap outside of schools Yetiman but I can guarantee you'll see virtually no LR models of any kind in the mines or on the stations (farms and bloody huge ones at that) in Australia.
And the Tojos get really bashed as they only keep them a couple of years and the drivers don't give a monkeys about how they treat them. I'd love another Defender but when travelling a very long way from any LR back-up at all, it makes me very wary. Yes Tojos and Nissans have problems and I don't think any LR product has ever had a dog of an engine like the 3 litre Patrol has. Nor have they had an engine which drinks oil like my sons LC200 V8 diesel. But their drive trains are generally strong especially the Nissans, although Tojo diffs are becoming suspect as they cost cut and vehicles are built in countries other than Japan. I'm trying to keep an open mind on this but persuading the Cook to have another Defender is going to be the hardest part I think! 
AlanH. |
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14th Apr 2011 10:50am |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789 
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Don,t forget to check your Landrover spider is in place as they aren,t covered by waranty Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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14th Apr 2011 11:24am |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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Yes you can but be careful of anything rubber as it will just make it ripple or bubble up, it has spirits in it so not great for painted surfaces. If you are using the original stuff bear in mind that it will need doing every two years as it says on the can and it will rub off if in contact with something else. Also it can have a tendency to slide down vertical surfaces when warm not covering anything especially if it has been diluted with spirit. Better to use other products such as Dinitrol or Wurtz. I am going with the latter for many spray on water resistant jobs that are difficult to get at and want to keep looking good & Dinitrol for chassis, doors etc that you cannot see - once it is on it stays on! ) Great sticky black goo, manufacturers have been using it for years. Alfa's used to fall apart except around the areas that were Super-trolled (as it used to be known!) Have fun! |
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14th Apr 2011 11:36am |
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| Yetiman Member Since: 13 Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 138
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Agree completely. I was only making an observation with my post. Horses for courses and all that. She's not old...just older |
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14th Apr 2011 1:11pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012
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 YES SHE IS MINE ALL MINE
I have just paid for my new Defender and will pick her up on the 27th - will take some pics tomorrow. Right down to the "offy" to get some beer to celebrate the champers can wait until I pick her up. |
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14th Apr 2011 4:53pm |
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