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jonesie



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Corris Grey
Hi Ian,
Had a spanner on the top at fuel in pipe bit with a tommy bar on the other end of the spanner which got it to rotate side to side but it wouldn't lift.
It needed more leverage to lift it up .... Series I 86" Petrol orig side valve (daily hack)
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ian series 1



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They can be tricky, as there is nothing to lever on.
Everything is plastic and doesn't take much to crack......how do I know that Whistle

Just keep going side to side, like I say they do pop up eventually Wink

If not, might be time for the slide hammer.... 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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dgardel



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ian series 1 wrote:
You will find these injectors will either just pull out, or they have stuck solid!
Get a spanner around the 2 flats and give it a wiggle from side to side.

You need to show them who is boss but they will come out.
If not, get a good pair of grips on them and try to pull as your turning it.

It will come out in the end! Thumbs Up


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4. wait 15 minutes
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ian series 1



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360 degrees IMHO may be a tad too much? 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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dgardel



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My bad 180°


From the manual pag 500.....

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martinfiattech



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If I read this correctly, your number four injector is seized / stuck in the cylinder head.
You could try the slightly naughty workshop removal method. Loosen the injector mounting bolt SLIGHTLY. Say one turn.

Pop off the upper seals or have them slightly resting in there housing on the rocker cover.
Start the engine and see if compression pressure will push the injector up. If it starts chuffing, it should come free.
Granted both injectors will need new seals afterwards.

All the best. Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.
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dgardel



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or using an injector removal tool


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carrotbay



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I have the same issue at the moment and have bought all new seals and just need to get round to doing the job. I've also bought an injector seat cutting kit to clean off any soot.

Should I be worried about any crap falling into the cylinders when cleaning up the seats with the cutter?

(kit was something like this http://www.sealey.co.uk/PLPageBuilder.asp?...ctid=13996) 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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jonesie



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Thanks for those replies everyone.
The bolt setting is also on page 434. (Been reading it all evening, wife got cross because I haven't spoke a word for three hours... Rolling with laughter )
Dgardel do those sliders work on the puma? I am paranoid about cracking the rocker cover and they ain't cheap, might be able to hire a set.
Like the idea of using pressure to push it out though.
Also have seen a few adverts for mobile injector removal companies, but by the time I have paid them it might be cheaper to buy the tool.
Jones the quiet one. Series I 86" Petrol orig side valve (daily hack)
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munch90



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Cleaned plenty of injector seats and never had a problem

most/all cutters have a pilot spindle on the bottom ( to help keep cutter square to seat ) , this also block the injector hole

just to be on safe side , put a small amount of grease on the cutter to help hold any crap to cutter

you only need to clean carbon of the seat not cut the seat really
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carrotbay



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thanks .. I'll sort this once I finish my clutch at the weekend Rolling Eyes 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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jonesie



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Carrotbay we rigged up an oil drain pump as a hoover,( taped a small bore hose to the end of the suction hose, I pumped while the mechanic (nev) hoovered the crap out) it worked really well and only took about 30 seconds per bore to clean them out.
If they are not seized the injectors just pull out.
The top rubber seals once the injector is out just lever out with a flat blade, cleaned the injectors with a bit of scotch brite, as Ian said be careful of the o rings on the fuel pipes and mark/store the injectors in order.
Fired up after about 6 sessions of turning it over for about 20 seconds.
Good luck and did you buy Gen washers? Series I 86" Petrol orig side valve (daily hack)
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carrotbay



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Sounds like a good idea .. yes, genuine washers and new bolts 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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jonesie



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Your a rich man I sent mine back and bought some off ebay at £5 for 4 just couldn't justify nearly £70 for four small washers and they seemed quite hard compared to the ebay ones.
Good luck. Series I 86" Petrol orig side valve (daily hack)
VW Tiguan ( bit bland but very comfy )
Porsche 997.2
790 Bonnie
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Censored .. I've had them too long to send back now .. Set of 4 transit ones on eBay for £5.50 Big Cry 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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