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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416  
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I have messaged Malcom at whitbread with all the questions
I will post his reply here once I get it along with Ian Baughan at IRB developments, 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) 2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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23rd Nov 2022 6:08am |
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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416
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Mine is under business insurance for mining so I use it as an health and safety requirement
 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold)
2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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23rd Nov 2022 10:13am |
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| ashcurrie Member Since: 26 Jan 2017 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 60  
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Just a heads up, placed an order for a safety devices cage for my 90 from Maltings 4x4 store. Phone beforehand and he had it in stock. Took advantage of their Black Friday 10% discount code valid today - MALBLACK
 1992 Defender 90 SW 200Tdi
2008 Defender 110 USW |
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25th Nov 2022 2:24pm |
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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416
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Ive had these figures from Ian Baughan at IRB Developments :-
Bear in mind prices are changing virtually every day at the moment. Normal 110 CSW cage - RBL2427SSS - £1730 + vat Blackwolf RBL1727SSS - £1880 + vat Price is delivered to my workshop. Payment in full required. And will have to be a group buy. Fitting - Standard 110 - £1500 + vat. Need the vehicle for a couple of days minimum... normally 3 days. Malcom at Whitbread 4x4 has replied and said, I am awaiting prices off him :- Hi our tube is a 48.3mm seamed tube. and I can sort out Documents for EU Members no problem. I will update once I get some ball park prices off Malcom for his modified cages to hug closer to the body like the SD. 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) 2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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28th Nov 2022 8:09pm |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 823  
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if Malcom gets the documentation for EU, would it be possible to have a sample of it to ensure that the Spanish (can not say the word we call them on a forum) would be able to verify that with that they would allow me to add it to the logbook.
To give you insight, a towbar has regulation 55R and thats Europe level, but in spain they needed an extra set of paperwork (cost as much as the towbar again) due to their ways of working  Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.
5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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29th Nov 2022 2:39pm |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3758
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Good work Welshsurferdude
So a std 110 cage is £2076 + £1800 fitting (is that done by you? as you mention your workshop) Total £3876 Inc for the Safety device one? On Whitbread website the std 110 cage is £1815 fitted / painted. I guess plus vat? Total £2178 Inc (this is without any discount) Unless this tube that whitbread mention "48.3mm seamed tube" is far worse than the SD one? what am I missing? Assuming it bolts to the same places / Strength is the same (and I see whitbread fit out mountain rescue trucks) and they modify it to be closer to the front window. I'm all for buy the best, safest etc but not if its purely a Sticker on one that says SD? its almost £1700 difference? Thoughts? |
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29th Nov 2022 3:40pm |
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| L90Andy Member Since: 29 May 2014 Location: Stratford-Upon-Avon Posts: 719 
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I think the bit about workshop referring to Ian @ IRB's as its his reply to WSD.
There might be something about tube difference too, seamed vs CDS which is inherently stronger. Spoken as an interested follower in this topic. Instagram: L90andy My 1984 Ninety: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56071.html - SOLD! My 2015 Defender: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39625.html - SOLD! |
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29th Nov 2022 4:10pm |
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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416
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Stacey is correct,
the Prices of the SD cages and fitting have been supplied by Ian at IRB and will be fitted at his workshop and paid in full to him directly. I am awaiting Malcom of whitbread to reply with pricing. There is a quite large price differential between the two as SD is a large corporate firm with resellers while Whitbread is a small family firm in rural Wales. I can enquire on CDS tubing being specced into whitbread and see if that is possible. 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) 2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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30th Nov 2022 7:57am |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 823
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from a roll cage point of view (race cars) they were normally CDS or T45 (T45 being stronger material) but most of the bolt in cages were CDS, thought some weld in ones were also CDS. Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.
5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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30th Nov 2022 1:58pm |
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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416
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Recieved this from Malcom At whitbread for his modified closer fitting cages
Kit form they would be all notched ready to weld together and coat/paint £1300+vat and carrage. Fitted or our workshop £1800+vat painted and fitted. A internal hoop £500+vat +fitting (estimate £200-250 to fit. 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) 2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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1st Dec 2022 7:16am |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3758
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Hello
So Whitebread £2160 fitted, Safety Devices £3876 fitted Then leaves the tube strength? 38.3mm Seemed tube compared with CDS? this bit I have NO idea.... can someone technical can explain more? Currently though we are driving round with foldable tin can above our heads? So either has to be a lot better than that. Whitbread have them fitted to competition cars, mountain rescue and over landers.. over 25 years of fitting them I think any issues would have come to light by now? Did / could Whitbread supply the same tube? at least then its a like for like quote? Good him him to modify it also and I guess easier if you want a light bar, rack extention etc added. Thanks |
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1st Dec 2022 9:06am |
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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416
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ive had 2 whitbread cages on 2 previous 110's and ive got no complaints as its much better than the tin foil roof we have
My wife won't drive my 110 with kids in without one so even she knows. Ive spoken to Malcom and he can do a CDS option, hell get back to me later today with a price 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) 2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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1st Dec 2022 10:41am |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3758
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Hello
The fact that Malcolm (whitbread) makes these and seems to reply quickly, able to adapt parts etc does seem good
I've had my 110 for 7 years now and its done some long road trips.... Alps, NC500, Sky, Orkney etc its about time I do something. Checked with my insurance Liverpool Victoria and seems it makes little of no difference on the 110 along with all the other mods I have declared. Cheers |
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1st Dec 2022 11:56am |
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| jpboost Member Since: 13 Apr 2021 Location: Gatwick Posts: 377 
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Coming from a motorsport background, seamed tube is not really suited for roll cages.
Certainly you wouldn't be able to get a seamed tube cage signed off or pass scrutineering. I appreciate that the cage requirements (and types/speeds of incidents) on a Defender may be different to that of many race cars, but I don't think that really changes matters in terms of material. Ultimately you want the cage to be strong and to protect you in the case of an incident. Whether that's a high speed impact, or a low speed roll. CDS is chosen so that in the case of high loading (impact etc) the tubes don't split open. T45 is even better (stronger), but my understanding is that the main advantage of T45 is that with its higher strength, you can use thinner walled material to save weight. I think this is probably less of an issue for our Defenders! I like the idea of a cage on my 110, although I've got other priorities at the moment. |
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1st Dec 2022 12:36pm |
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