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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6098   
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I have a P&P full external on my 110 if you need any pics/measurements
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9th Nov 2022 5:48pm |
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| Welshsurferdude Member Since: 23 Feb 2012 Location: Newport Posts: 2416 
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Proper chunky defender that Jim!
 
my sorta thing im aiming for with my black 110 USW 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) 2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS 2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold) 2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold) |
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9th Nov 2022 6:48pm |
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| Jon w Member Since: 22 Dec 2015 Location: North East Wales Posts: 209 
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JST hasn't responded but I can only guess that it is what the cage is made from, it may be that Whitbread are made from Blue band steel pipe. Ok if you are leaning vehicle over on its side at low speed but not as strong from higher speed impacts.
As I say I am just speculating and don't know the full details but would be interested to hear JST comments |
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9th Nov 2022 9:46pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6098
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It has changed a little over the years..... BRB bar and 8274 gone, replaced with a factory/camel Husky bumper and superwinch husky. 255's dropped back to 235/85 Conti CC's, as it gets used as a car/van more thesedays. Apart from that, still the same. in hindsight I would have got a camel type cage, where the front hoops are external and the rest inside, but hey ho. |
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10th Nov 2022 5:14am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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Interesting thought Camelman. Switzerland is much stricter, but France is also fairly restrictive. In theory a car cannot be modified in ANY way. However, curiously there are no checks in this regard, save fuel type during the CT (MOT), hence my never being able to swap out the 2.4 for a V8. So my 18” wheels are, technically, illegal. And certainly a big brake kit, non OE dampers, springs, exhaust, auto box etc etc etc would be (again technically) illegal. Even a remap. However, I can’t see that a roll cage would be a similar type of modification. It’s a safety upgrade, rather than a performance upgrade. Like a roof rack is a utility upgrade and allowed. The theory behind this policy is to prevent cars being modified performance wise, without the authorities ever being informed (they tax on power and emissions in France, so a more powerful engine would mean more revenue). But as I mentioned, there are absolutely no checks. The CT/MOT checks wear and tear, emissions, capability etc. So if I uprated to a BBK, it would still pass. Likewise suspension, lights etc. In theory much of what we do actually improves a Defender, makes it safer, handle and brake better etc. But whether this would be accepted in the only scenario I can see the car being checked (by authorities or insurance company in the event of a bad accident) I have no idea. One would hope that logic would prevail and I (or any equivalent Defender owner) wouldn’t be penalised for having better brakes, a safety cage, better suspension, etc etc. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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10th Nov 2022 7:29am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Ditto.  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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10th Nov 2022 7:35am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Can’t understand why it needs to stick out that much? In every other dimension it seems to be the same as SD or P&P. The front bar also seems, within a few mil, to be fixed to the same area of the front wing. So surely a quick measurement, and a few mil chopped off the gutter and roof bars, would be all that was needed to bring it closer. Agree it probably wouldn’t be visible on my very dark DC, but it would still matter to me as I think I’d be constantly aware of it when in the cab looking out. Rather that wasn’t the case. Also, like the idea of a cheeky discount. Where’s JST and his answer when you need him? Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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10th Nov 2022 7:42am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3373
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Interesting that the Whitbread doesnt go all the way to the back of the roof like the SD cage does?
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10th Nov 2022 8:16am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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Well that explains why SD suddenly got around to supplying an RAI for their cages... They bought PandP and use theirs  |
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10th Nov 2022 9:09am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Whilst not quite as defined, SD cage doesn't either. No idea why. I can only assume its to avoid the fold and welding where the rear facing panel overlaps the rear wing.
Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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10th Nov 2022 9:09am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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It is to do with the internal space available in the rear wheel arches. I guess they could have jinked backwards from the rear body mounting to get the tube closer to the back of the bodywork. Might have weakened the structure though...
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10th Nov 2022 9:12am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3373
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 Thats my truck! |
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10th Nov 2022 9:53am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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Very nice it is too. No wonder they use it on their website
Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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10th Nov 2022 10:09am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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If you compare the bar located by the c-pillar on the SD version versus the WB version, looks like the WB is sitting slightly further forward. More clearly over the line of rivets. I wonder if (depending on the slope angle of the roof bars) if it could be shoved back to both close the gap at the windscreen and reduce the gap at the rear? More closely aligned with SD’s proportions and placement?
Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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10th Nov 2022 10:13am |
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