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| JPE Member Since: 19 Nov 2018 Location: South West England Posts: 334   
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Mine’s an early 2013 which now appears to be within the date range!
I’ve contacted my local dealer & also JLR to see what they have to say. Wondering if at the very least I need some of those brackets. Are they easy to fit if I need to do myself? |
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30th Oct 2022 11:16pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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Mine were supplied and fitted by the maindealer. When I got the letter from LR I contacted them and they arranged everything. They were unaware of the rectification until I showed them the letter. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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30th Oct 2022 11:41pm |
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| JPE Member Since: 19 Nov 2018 Location: South West England Posts: 334
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I’ve had no letter as mine fell outside the original date range.
I’ll see how I get on with dealer… |
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31st Oct 2022 7:13am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410  
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Can someone enlighten me?
I revisited the P048 recall, link on the 1st post of this thread. There it states these VIN ranges: Publication No.: P048v2 Vin Range: LD072975 - LD075134 Vin Range: LD400023 - LD408691 Vin Range: LD825080 - LD826097 Now if I see the Australian recall, I see VIN ranges that are outside the P048 recall. In particular, from that list, 2 vehicles in particular interest me. These are SALLDWBR7CA424189 and SALLDWBR7CA424242, reason being that my 90 VIN falls between these 2 VINs (sequential number). Only difference is that mine is Euro 5, while in Australia they are ROW spec. But these VIN numbers are outside the P048 recall, so what am I missing? They are not in the P047 recall either. Link to the Australian recall: https://www.vehiclerecalls.gov.au/sites/de...List-1.csv 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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31st Oct 2022 10:22am |
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| pat_eg Member Since: 25 Oct 2022 Location: Geraldton Posts: 6 
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As indicated earlier my axel housing has recently failed. My vehicle was fitted with the magic bracket and they have served the intended purpose. The wheel didn't completely detach. This is still an extremely dangerous situation, Fortunately I was only puttering around town.
The problem is now Landrover Australia are refusing to replace the failed casing. These casings shouldn't fail. Does anyone know of any other axel casings failing in this manner other than these defenders over a 3 yr period? The only solution is to have a correctly manufactured casing fitted. No compromises. DO NOT ACCEPT THE MAGIC BRACKETS AS A SOLUTION. They are a flawed backup for a defective axel casing. They do not address the problem. If your vehicle falls in the recall period or even close I strongly suggest that you contact both your Authorised landrover mechanic and the regulatory body responsible for Recalls in your respective countries. This is a dangerous botched job by landrover. It would be greatly appreciated if any Australian members could contact recalls@infrastructure.gov.au with details of any other failed Axel casings. Thanks Patrick Egerton-Green |
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31st Oct 2022 1:19pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353 
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I agree with you, Pat E-G, your vehicle is undriveable and useless due to the axle failure which the brackets were not intended to prevent, just to keep you and others alive in the event of failure.
The fact that LR made the brackets available is an undeniable admission of a problem, and axle failure of this type is not something which is reasonable to expect on a vehicle. To try to make you pay for a repair is despicable. |
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31st Oct 2022 1:49pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646
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I have contacted our Minister for Transport with the details of the EU recall document and askedif they intend to see this enforced. Will keep you updated. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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31st Oct 2022 2:23pm |
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| trevorg Member Since: 28 May 2022 Location: Aisne Posts: 51  
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The Vin of my 2012 90 is within the range CA412051 - CA427758 and so should be subject to recall if the EU can force LR France to implement it but I am not holding my breath on this one, it could take years. In the mean time, following advice from Blackwolf and others on this forum, I have had the brackets installed by my local dealership. I accept that this will not prevent the axle from failing but could save my life (and that of my passengers) in the event of this happening. In total it cost me €70 for the brackets and €90 to have them installed, a no brainer. Despite this being a clear failure on the part of LR I was not prepared to wait for them to accept responsibility, my life is worth more than €160.
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31st Oct 2022 4:27pm |
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| pat_eg Member Since: 25 Oct 2022 Location: Geraldton Posts: 6
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Just to reiterate, I would definitely have the brackets fitted but but they are just a bandaid. It doesn't address the actual problem. When your casing fails you still have an unsafe dangerous vehicle. The only solution is a casing that is up to spec.
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31st Oct 2022 8:42pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646
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As I have got no response, not even an acknowledgement from our Minister for Transport regarding this issue, I have sent details to Competition and Consumer Protection Commission. Will see if they take it up. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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9th Nov 2022 1:55pm |
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| HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila Posts: 732  
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I believe I fall under this range: Vin Range: LD825080 - LD826097
Acquisition and fitting of the brackets are on the list, but if it does fail, I highly doubt the local official dealer will deal with it as they concentrate mainly on the new stuff, they wouldn't know what to do with a Legendary Defender if ever it did wind up in the service bay. Anyways, if we were to acquire new axles on our own, which do we get? Are there tougher aftermarket versions that we may consider to help prolong the life of our beloved trucks? |
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10th Nov 2022 1:41am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410
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For normal applications, you do not need a tougher axle, you just need one that is correctly built. A bolt on axle that falls in the good category is an axle made between 2002 to around 2008, early 2009. These are identified by 2 rings either side, couple of mm away from swivel ball flange (the 2 rungs are a result of the friction welding).
Failure to find an 02-08 axle, you can go for 300tdi axle, including ones from Discovery 1 (300tdi) and have a fabricator cut off the original panhard rod brackets and weld later panhard brackets that can be sourced from YRM. Edit: the latter is the route I will take (cause at my location, a 02-08 axle was not possible to find) if my fighting, backed with the EU alert is futile 🤷 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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10th Nov 2022 6:00am |
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| Will@LRW Member Since: 04 May 2019 Location: UK Posts: 178  
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Thanks Ian 
Those are the VINs inclusive of the build dates given by the recall. Seeing it could take about 3 days to build a Defender, the "build date" could either be the start date or end date, so dates can be +/- a few days, but in reality I expect the dates will really need to be "when the affected axles were fitted to the chassis", which is more ambiguous. We don't know if the axle casings came from more than one factory, and only one factory had an issue. We don't know if there is a record of which axle serial numbers went onto which chassis (maybe not). This will be the nuance of the recall, backtracing which vehicles had which axle casings. If the casings are shipped from India, they are likely to arrive in large batches, and casings may have been taken randomly from a "pile" in the factory, instead of being sequential (first in, first out). In which case the bad axles could have been introduced on vehicle 1 of the first day of the new batch, or vehicle 125. Or maybe it's easy, and all axles on all vehicles, between the dates given, are bad. I was just trying to give some scope to the EU recall in terms of VIN ranges. LR Workshop Find a Defender's history and spec: https://defender.lrworkshop.com |
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13th Nov 2022 10:46pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1988
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Thanks Will the data is really helpful on the vin ranges.
I’m wondering if Martin would be able to set up a survey where individuals can highlight if their vehicle(s) full within the EU date range or vin range or just before or just after the vin or date ranges. including their profile name on here. Perhaps having a field to highlight if their axles have failed etc. From that we can see the members impacted and If there are sufficient of us in our respective jurisdictions, I.e EU, UK etc then we can decide if we want to collectively flag this issue to the appropriate government bodies, press, social media etc Seeing if other LR forums are aware of the issue and want to join us to pursue this is another idea. |
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14th Nov 2022 7:36pm |
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