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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6093   
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Of course, if you were to steam clean the casing prior to going into your dealership, and some EP90 accidentally got smeared around the weld and looked like it was leaking......
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2nd Dec 2014 7:16pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6300  
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Letter landed today.
Sounds like a right bodge rather than fix the problem its just a case of minimising the adverse effects...... And something of an understatement suggesting you might loose stability.....  |
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2nd Dec 2014 7:44pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8051  
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letter here today too.
like blackwolf i grinned at the lack of stability comments. will check mine over and see what it looks like! bracket option is i guess a low cost reassurance option as they dont feel it likely to happen....? Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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2nd Dec 2014 9:07pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3750  
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Covered here http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic33029....ddc2009833
and yes,, got one for my 11 plate 110 California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1 Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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2nd Dec 2014 9:08pm |
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| Fifth Horseman Member Since: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Lanarkshire Posts: 323 
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Regards the comments about stability in the event of the weld fracturing, I wonder if the bracket also surrounds the flange bolt heads. If it does not then god knows what will happen when the brakes are used as there would be nothing to stop the now free end of the axle from rotating with obvious effects on the steering and brake hoses.
Another question which is not answered by the Q&A is what is JLR's liability in the event of weld failure subsequent to the fitting of the bracket? I would hope that in this case they would pick up the cost of any damage. Also, got my letter today. |
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2nd Dec 2014 9:25pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6610 
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Seems that vehicles with HD suspension get a new axle case, those with standard suspension get the brackets.
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2nd Dec 2014 9:44pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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The bracket.......
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2nd Dec 2014 10:13pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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If the owners of PUMA crying, the TD5 ones not laugh
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge The breaking point is different (is the bowl) Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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2nd Dec 2014 10:18pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443 
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Yes, it definitely looks to me as though vehicle stability has been compromised and there has been a reduction in directional control.
Alternatively as a normal person might observe, it looks rather as though the b****** wheel's come off! |
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2nd Dec 2014 10:45pm |
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| Dean Watson Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Derby Posts: 256 
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Mines now booked in for the 22nd has anyone had the bodge, sorry repair fitted, I phone both the dealer and landrover customer assistance to ask what would happened if the weld still broke , because although the wheel would still be attached by the marvel of retro engineering(bracket) I would still have a broken axle, the silence was deafening and I was told
"its been approved as an engineering solution"! Anyone else a bit nervous of this bodge, sorry engineering solution?
Deano |
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3rd Dec 2014 12:17pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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3rd Dec 2014 12:56pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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p.s.
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3rd Dec 2014 12:58pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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It is an interesting situation (and I am sorry for those whose vehicles are in the affected range).
The reinforcing bracket is clearly intended (from the documentation) simply to retain the hub assembly in the event that the axle breaks rather than to prevent the axle breaking, since the paperwork states that with thebracket fitted a crack will be evidenced by oil leakage and abnormal steering behaviour, which, especially the latter, doesn't really seem satisfactory. it is also not clear what happens if you have a bracket fitted and then the axle breaks anyway - will LR then replace the axle casing FOC for you, or will it consider that its responsibilities were discharged with the fitment of the bracket. Has anyone actually seen one of the brackets yet? I would be interested to see a photo of the bracket prior to fitting to see how it actually retains the broken flange and hold the axle together. It also looks to me as though fitting the reinforcement bracket may affect the turning circle since it possibly interferes with the lock-stops. To keep it in perspective it is clearly quite a rare failure and the chances of it happening are small. The consequences however could be severe, hence no doubt the reason for it being treated as a recall. I wonder how many have ffailed in this way but not been reported to LR. |
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3rd Dec 2014 1:02pm |
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| keith Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2214 
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Called my dealer today and emailed the letters and link to this site as I have this model car . I'm told that their extensive searches , questions to LR and computer searching has shown NO PROBLEMS ON THIS ISSUE and no recalls . The only highlighted area is for Left hand drive European vehicles . Even after they shown your arrived today from LR letters .
Is there any more info please on this recall ? Keith |
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3rd Dec 2014 8:28pm |
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