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Rashers

Member Since: 21 Jun 2015
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3525

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

You mean like JLR for instance?

23rd May 2021 9:27pm

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

I mean the leasing companies. Now left.

23rd May 2021 9:32pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3327

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

I dunno, give them away free with cornflakes or stash them in the loft with their old video tapes?

I’m not sure how these companies deal with lower than predicted residuals. Does the customer lose out or the leasing company? If it’s the company they could take some massive hits. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

23rd May 2021 9:48pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

What puddle? wrote:
Two years ago, we got rid of our BMW i3...due solely to one terrible experience. We went to Boscombe (from Reading) for the day - all 19 of the family go down every year. We got down there ok still with 25 miles left, and went to charge up. The charger wasn't working. By now, our family had gathered on the beach so we went to join them. After we all left for home, we went to a Bournemouth charger. It wasn't working. The controller (by phone, now, to a desperate me) sent me to to a car park... it wasn't working. They then sent me back to the one we first went to... which still wasn't working. Now, in desperation, I sent my wife on home in her sister's car, while the controller sent me to Southampton...with 15 miles left. I made it with 5 miles left to find a Corsa parked in the bay. Nevertheless, the cable reached. After 40 minutes, it had charged up, but the cable refused to release. I had to press the red emergency stop button. I got home at ten o'clock that night and we vowed to get rid of it the following month.

I've had similar experiences trying to buy petrol in France on a Sunday. Slept in the car overnight until normality returns on a Monday morning.

24th May 2021 6:29am

Simon Audi

Member Since: 19 Nov 2020
Location: Newport
Posts: 544

They wont be able to sell new diesels after 2030.. but no restrictions on second hand ones.

But there is time for the deadlines to change and rules to change.... both ways....

24th May 2021 7:25am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Zed wrote:
I dunno, give them away free with cornflakes or stash them in the loft with their old video tapes?

I’m not sure how these companies deal with lower than predicted residuals. Does the customer lose out or the leasing company? If it’s the company they could take some massive hits.

Some figures for JLR from last Annual Accounts:.

"Inventories of finished goods include £466 million (2019: £484 million, 2018: £436 million) relating to vehicles sold to rental car companies, fleet customers and others with guaranteed repurchase arrangements."

"Some contracts with customers include an option or obligation for the Group to repurchase the product sold (including repurchasing a product originally sold as part of an amended product). Such instances are common in the Group’s arrangements with third-party fleet customers or in contract manufacturing arrangements that the Group is party to, for example.

The Group does not recognise revenue on the original sale, as in such cases it is considered to retain ultimate control of that product. The related inventory therefore continues to be recognised on the Group’s consolidated balance sheet and the consideration received from the customer is treated as a liability."

In previous accounts JLR has had to make allowances for losses due to lower residual values vs guaranteed buy back values given to customers. Off the top of my head, the last one was US Range Rovers to the value of £28 million (?).

24th May 2021 8:26am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Philip wrote:
So it may be of some use for some trades, but is useless for leisure users who tow. Whichever way you want it.

I shudder to think what the gas mileage is when this is hooked up; or indeed whether I'd want to be towing it cross country without a stop:

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24th May 2021 4:03pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

To be fair, the people buying a truck to tow regularly will probably be buying bigger ones than an F150. But that doesn’t change the facts about energy density etc.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-...ing-range/

https://insideevs.com/news/405456/video-tow-tesla-model-3-range/

24th May 2021 4:17pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3150

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

Zed wrote:
I National Grid have confirmed there will be more than enough capacity for future needs.

There is enough generation capacity, yes.

Getting the electricity to your charger is another matter, and upgrading the network to cope will see me through to retirement and then some.

Many houses have cables that are 40, 50, 60+ years old which were never intended for the kind of load car chargers demand, hence why you shouldn't just whack a changer onto your house without consulting your network operator first. There is even more to it but its probably too intricate/detailed for here. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

24th May 2021 5:38pm

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

Yes, but it doesn't have to be like that. We just plugged our i3 into a wall socket - 13 amp supply. We would put it on charge early evening, and it was fully charged by the next morning. Now left.

24th May 2021 6:13pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

The Lightning will have a battery of something like four times that capacity.

24th May 2021 6:20pm

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

Yes, but that's not a typical EV!

We are all-electric in our house (by choice, even though I'm a qualified gas engineer). We keep a running tab on our use, and we didn't even notice the demand from the i3 - it was like nothing.

EDIT
"New funding has been announced to support the installation of around 3,550 public electric vehicle charge points over the course of the next two years. Ofgem - the non-ministerial Government department responsible for regulating the UK’s gas and electricity markets - will fund the installation of new cabling at motorway service areas and key trunk road locations to allow 1,800 rapid EV chargers to be built. The regulator will also support the installation of 1,750 new public chargers in towns and cities."

News today. Now left.

24th May 2021 6:59pm

SteveGren

Member Since: 24 May 2021
Location: Texas
Posts: 8

Supacat wrote:

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F-150 Lightning ~ hardly too expensive and might be the real game changer for the competition.

Stopped lurking and signed up mainly to respond to this question.

I currently own a Tesla - so no stranger to EVs, and think they are great! - and also a 20+ year old landcruiser.

I am considering trading in both vehicles for a new overlander. It appears we won't get the new Landcruiser in the US so that is not an option for me.

If I were to even consider an EV for travel purposes it would have to have a Cybertruck like range like 500+ miles are the VERY least.

I believe EV's are great, I believe EV's will eventually be the majority of new vehicles sold. But an EV will not work for what I want my longterm vehicle to be capable of.

It needs:
a) capability (rugged 4wd)
b) reliability
c) readily available fuel source in remote locations!!!

It's still early days in the Grenadier story - which I've been following closely since the initial announcement - but it is in the running for me.
An F150 EV is not (fuel source issue), a new defender is not (reliability), a new landcruiser is likely not (won't be available).

Toyotas next gen 4runner or Tundra (perhaps with a lid tacked on) are possibly candidates also. Monitoring the space closely. I do really want the Grenadier to be great, as it defnitely wins out over all other comers on 'cool factor' to me.

24th May 2021 10:49pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

How do you know the Grenadier will be reliable? Who will fix it, and with what parts, if it breaks?

24th May 2021 11:21pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Quote:
Many (but obviously not all) jobbing builders, tradesmen etc, whilst they may tow a trailer to a jobsite will probably not tow long distances as they aren't chargeable hours, or not chargeable at full trade rate.

I'm guessing there's stats out there, one way or the other. When Ford brought out the eTransit with a range of way less (125 miles?), they also had research that showed 75 miles represented, something like the 90th percentile of daily use.

EV News Daily Podcast (@EVNewsDaily) Tweeted:

Here's a key point about range: "Ford’s research shows that the average F-150 owners travel less than 174 miles 95% of the time"

Remember they already have a wealth of telematics data on their existing drivers and they used this to hit a sweet spot

https://t.co/zIJ5f5KiJs https://t.co/OBtgr3UKq5 https://twitter.com/EVNewsDaily/status/1397067866814533632?s=20

25th May 2021 6:41am

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