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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952  
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"Any ideas on the route to market they are taking as a dealer and servicing network takes a lot of investment. If your nearest dealer is 200 miles away would you buy one?"
I heard last year that part of the reason for going wth a BMW engine was that their dealer network would deal with Grenadiers. No idea if that's true. Now left. |
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15th May 2021 3:02pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3529 
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This is a bit like Tesla.
If I bought a Tesla my nearest service would be Heathrow (last time I looked) which would make servicing hard work. Ineos have the same issue as Tesla did. New product no dealership network. Maybe they will partner Halfords 
If BMW is the route, it’s not as if the Greanadier would step on any BMW model toes. |
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15th May 2021 3:13pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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A “partnership with a major international chain of repair centres” is as much as I’ve read - maybe something like ATS Euromaster?
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15th May 2021 3:14pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Nothing new in the article, but click on the 'Best Rated' comments. I wouldn't advise Mr Ratcliffe to read them...
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/a...-2022.html Now left. |
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15th May 2021 3:20pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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A prelude to selling out to BMW...when sales don't go as planned? Now left. |
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15th May 2021 3:22pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Milton Keynes any closer? As far as servicing being hard work goes, you appear to be thinking with your ICE cap on: "Tesla vehicle maintenance mostly includes wheel alignment monitoring, tire condition inspection, replacement of key fob batteries, windshield wipers and cabin air filter." "We are continuing to expand our fleet of Mobile Service vehicles so that we may service your car when and where most convenient for you."
And that's hurting Tesla how? Last edited by Supacat on 15th May 2021 3:26pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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15th May 2021 3:26pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2672 
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What do you expect from the Daily Mail types? |
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15th May 2021 3:26pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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What does the article actually say? Are these the same quotes below? Steve Fowler is not the best of motoring journos and it's not hard to pick apart what he says... anyone see anything wrong with this: "Like the old Defender, the Grenadier’s chassis will feature a pair of beam axles, three locking differentials and a low-range transfer case." I'll go check mine again, but I'm almost certain it's missing two locking differentials... Rolling Eyes Fowler is a JLR fanboy, so the timing of the article ~ which has no new info and indeed is a month or two behind when most of us learnt any of the salient points ~ is a bit suspect. I think lines like: "Regardless of the production site, the Grenadier is still some way off." and what he actually said on price (which is still Censored ) "That means a potential total starting price that’s closer to £50,000 for those who can’t claim the tax back through their business." are just naked attempts to push sales towards JLR. The full context of the info on pricing is "On pricing, we understand that, in the current market, the Grenadier’s entry-price would start with a four." and the following is again Censored "However, with a classification of N1, it will officially be a commercial vehicle, so VAT will have to be added. That means a potential total starting price that’s closer to £50,000 for those who can’t claim the tax back through their business." |
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15th May 2021 3:44pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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This might be new to some people... "Prices are expected to range from £30,000 to £45,000, with the priciest examples powered by hydrogen following a recent tie-up with Korean car maker, Hyundai, to share fuel cell technology." |
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15th May 2021 3:49pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4225 
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Ineos have also said they expect prices to start at same level as a top of the range dual cab pick up, which, looking at Hi Lux prices is £40k to £50k. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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15th May 2021 3:54pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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"Ineos have also said they expect prices to start at same level as a top of the range dual cab pick up, which, looking at Hi Lux prices is £40k to £50k."
Best selling car in Australia! Now left. |
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15th May 2021 4:18pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Here's your actual answer if you were about anything other than this sort of crass comment:
"They started with a clean sheet and set out to build a 4x4 utility vehicle, not a luxury SUV. All of the major decisions are logical, so long as you don't want a PCP'ed status symbol. I still want one. If it can be sold at £40k+taxes I can just about justify it. I have a 31 year old LR110 and 30 year old LR90 and I'd like something with door seals that work, better managed cathodic corrosion and an actual crash performance expectation. My LR110 needs another rebuild, 10 years and 200,000 miles after the last one and I do not think I have the stamina for another one. The Grenadier is, according to Jim Radcliffe, likely to be a half price G-Wagen, which will do me. I don't need the last word in comfort and luxury, (my previous daily driver was a Morgan 4/4), I want a vehicle that can last and I cannot think of a current LR product that will be anything other than be a pain in the 'arris once it is out of warranty. JLR's CEO said that their quality was costing them sales; yes, me! I have friends with new LR products and a few have had no issues, more have had a few issues and needed to get heavy with the dealer network before they were addressed and a few have had to reject some unspeakable dogs, which has required people to lawyer up. If JLR cannot build reliable vehicles, they should, at least, have a dealer network that offered exemplary customer service. The last time Ineos put out any details, they were expecting to offer service via agricultural specialists and/or provide open source technical support. As my experience with main dealers has been universally average to rubbish, DIY with open source tech support will suit me very well. So addressing this bit, "Hence you get beam axles for truly terrible ride and road manners, you get a noisy, uncomfortable cabin with poor crash performance, you get catasptrophic (by 2021 stds) fuel consumption,....", the LR P38's road manners were not too shabby, the Grenadier is an EU vehicle, so will need to meet or exceed EU crash standards, (the ugly front is for pedestrian protection), and the fuel consumption is not my biggest cost, depreciation is. I don't want state of the art anything, my 'phone is about the only thing I am prepared to change regularly; I want to "Reduce reuse, recycle", not trap myself in a revolving door of PCPs, deposits, overhyped and underwhelming depreciating consumer assets." https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic....6&i=40 |
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15th May 2021 4:54pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4225
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Which would indicate that there is a market for utility vehicles at that price in at least some parts of the world. It just occurred to me that I think Mitsubishi, Toyota and Ford all sell SUV versions of there big selling pickups, complete with separate chassis and I think some retain the live axle at the back. The only one sold here is the soon to disappear Mitsi Shogun Sport, in other markets there’s the Toyota Fortuner and Ford Everest. These are smart looking but relatively crude utilitarian vehicles, but likely cheaper than the Grenadier will be. My rambling point being the “crude” vehicles can sell in the right markets where there is underdeveloped road infrastructure and perhaps more of an emphasis on actual toughness as opposed superficial European build quality. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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15th May 2021 5:58pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Yes, there is definite interest in Australia towards the Grenadier, but there are also many comments at the cynicism end.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/951961/land-r...continues/ Now left. |
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15th May 2021 10:18pm |
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