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NoDo$h

Member Since: 18 Aug 2007
Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset
Posts: 972

double cab happy wrote:
this is my replacment

http://www.richardschassis.co.uk/

http://www.exmoortrim.co.uk/

and so on, you get the idea

mark

This is why all the knuckle-draggers on certain other LR forums won't get a hearing; because they have never bought a product from Land Rover. If the only comment on offer is negative, you will never have a say. Land Rover have no choice. I have lost count of the number of "just fit airbags"

on various forums. Not even close. The EU have killed the Defender and the blunt front. They have killed the engine. They have killed the robust chassis construction. The EU aand our politicians, not Land Rover.

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
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1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits

12th Sep 2011 10:25pm

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3641

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

I must be in a minority the DC100 is growing on me, If it does reasonable mpg and costs no more than £25k I would consider swapping the BM for one and using it every day, but I would be keeping the puma in the Garage. I think they will sell loads but not to the same people whom normally buy Defenders. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

13th Sep 2011 5:02am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

NoDo$h wrote:
double cab happy wrote:
this is my replacment

http://www.richardschassis.co.uk/

http://www.exmoortrim.co.uk/

and so on, you get the idea

mark

This is why all the knuckle-draggers on certain other LR forums won't get a hearing; because they have never bought a product from Land Rover. If the only comment on offer is negative, you will never have a say. Land Rover have no choice. I have lost count of the number of "just fit airbags" on various forums. Not even close. The EU have killed the Defender and the blunt front. They have killed the engine. They have killed the robust chassis construction. The EU aand our politicians, not Land Rover.

Loads of folk on here have bought new Defenders, and on other forums. High prices have generally meant enthusiasts have to buy used.
The EU killing off the shape is a myth, if it were true, how can other manufacturers continue to make blunt-fronted vehicles? They have been on about that for at least 20 years, I have the old magazines that prove it.
As to the engine, who cares. Nobody has said much about the powertrain, what bothers everyone is the DC100s styling (or lack of) and the fact that doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to the current model. It is too far, too fast. Yes it may sell well, but I can't see the wealthier enthusiasts buying it if the forum posts are anything to go by, and I feel Landrover may come to regret alienating the enthusiast movement who after all do a huge amount of free advertising for the brand. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

13th Sep 2011 6:01am

willy eckerslike

Member Since: 15 Jun 2009
Location: North yorks
Posts: 1789

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Keswick Green

Sell 25 thousand old type to the offroad / working market or 50 thousand new type to the Soft road market..................... accountants rule the world. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
110 HCPU Tipper

13th Sep 2011 6:34am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

willy eckerslike wrote:
Sell 25 thousand old type to the offroad / working market or 50 thousand new type to the Soft road market..................... accountants rule the world.

Sad but true.

2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

13th Sep 2011 6:46am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2638

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

Gents, LR have just given the traditional Defender crowd a big fat middle finger salute:

http://media.dc100.co.uk/index.html

- Two new concepts from Land Rover investigate the future design
possibilities of the iconic Defender.
- Three-across front seat is inspired by early Land Rover vehicles.
- Cutting-edge sustainable, hi-tech materials taken from luxury yachts,
private jets and even spacecraft.
- The concepts capture the flexibility, adaptability and configurability
that have always been key attributes of Land Rover and continue in today''s
Defender.
- DC100 demonstrates the future of Land Rover capability and
versatility.
- DC100 Sport is an active expression of freedom and adventure.
- The Terrain-i scanning device warns the driver of obstacles when
off-roading and can suggest alternative routes.
- "Wade Aid" uses sonar technology to assess water depth and advise the
driver of optimum speed for water fording.
- Intelligent next-generation Land Rover Terrain Response® system
automatically optimizes the vehicle for any surface or terrain.
- Driver-activated spiked tire system can be deployed at the touch of a
button.
- Future paint technologies will allow for self-cleaning and healing
paint and bodywork.
- Both concepts are based on the same lightweight, mixed-alloy platform.
- Four-wheel drive with a transfer case.
- Eight-speed automatic transmission
- Intelligent Engine Start/Stop technology
- Driveline Disconnect physically decouples the rear axle to save fuel
when four-wheel drive is not required.
- 2.0-liter, four-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines with hybrid and
plug-in capabilities.
- Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Adventure key is a waterproof,
lightweight alternative to the control fob.
- Always-on connectivity and telematics allow for vehicle-to-smartphone,
vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-base communication.
- Built-in inductive charging stations throughout the concepts.
- Land Rover confirms its global intention to launch a new Defender in
2015, with no current decision on whether or not the next generation
Defender will come to the North American markets. --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged

Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
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Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

13th Sep 2011 8:18am

twopoint6khz

Member Since: 18 Aug 2011
Location: North Lakes
Posts: 654

Quote:
At Frankfurt, the DC100 provides an impressive showcase for Land Rover’s accumulating store of new technology. Power is by 2.0-litre petrol or diesel engines with both hybrid and plug-in capabilities, driving through an eight-speed gearbox. Intelligent stop-start is standard, along with latest-generation Terrain Response (probably with a new ‘auto’ function to reduce driver workload). The powertrain has a traditional transfer box to provide permanent four-wheel drive, but it incorporates a ‘driveline disconnect’ system that decouples the rear axle to save fuel when all-wheel drive isn’t needed.

Among more speculative technology, the DC100 has solar panels on its roof, continuous internet connectivity, a new kind of key fob recognition called RFID (for Radio Frequency Identification) and a soft metallic silver finish for much of its interior to reflect the sun’s rays and keep the interior cooler. Much use is made of lightweight and recycled materials, to emphasise sustainability – a Land Rover watchword.

Interiors are trimmed with Ultrafabric and Superfabric, two new premium-feel materials of enormous durability, and the cabins contain built-in induction charging stations for battery-powered gadgets such as power tools.

Although Land Rover chiefs insist that reaction to the DC100 concepts will guide them in deciding the detail specification of their new model, much work has clearly already been done. The Sport concept – whose surfaces and dimensions are identical below the waistline to the original – is the best evidence yet that Land Rover bosses actually decided some months ago to replace their 63-year-old icon with an all-new model with similar abilities and key dimensions to the current model, but without the shortcomings.

Both DC100 concepts use “a lightweight, mixed alloy platform”, according to Land Rover’s official statement. More candidly, insiders say there are at two competing chassis options: a shortened and lightened version of the existing T5 (which has a main drawback of weight but also has a sophisticated all-independent suspension) or an all-new platform that would eventually be used in several wheelbases for a wide range of Defender models. Given the planned Defender model flexibility and required strength of the new model, there seems little doubt that any new chassis will be a separate ladder-frame design.

No conclusion has yet been reached about where the new Defender might be made, but Edwards believes that as much as 90 per cent of production could find buyers outside the UK (Land Rover sells in 167 export markets), which suggests that the model may well be manufactured abroad, perhaps in India, where parent company Tata Motors is based, or in China, where Land Rover sales are booming and are expected to grow larger still.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/...er/259087/

I don't quite understand how some yellow beach cruiser is going to appeal to farmers, or anyone who lives outside Miami? And the box version doesn't look much more utilitarian. Add to that stop-start

, an 8-speed gearbox (really?) and 'continuous internet connectivity' and you've basically lost my business to the likes of Toyota.

I'm not a philistine, but if I wanted a car that was full of technology I'd buy summat German cos it'd actually be put together properly. But when the weather's bad and you're in the middle of nowhere, what you need is something that's not bogged down with diagnostic bobbins and electronic 'driver aids'.

Anyway, preaching to the choir I'm sure. Unless LR get their act together over the next 4 years I'll certainly not be having one of those.

13th Sep 2011 8:20am

twopoint6khz

Member Since: 18 Aug 2011
Location: North Lakes
Posts: 654

More pictures of the DC100 hardtop here:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-R...-Defender/

...which next to that beach cruiser thing, isn't starting to look so bad

Maybe that was the idea?

13th Sep 2011 8:38am

toshers

Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: Inverurie
Posts: 120

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

It's all about sales figures, like it or not the DC100 will sell in huge numbers compared to the Defender.

You can see its designed to appeal to a completely different market.

..yup Richards Chassis etc...will be the only way soon!

13th Sep 2011 9:04am

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

I think the key is not to get too worked up at this point. If you listen to what John Edwards says about the vehicle, they have the right motives.

This ISN'T the replacement for the Defender - just an exploration of the concept.

They are governed by economics and legislation so it needs to sell twice as many units as today, in multiple markets (including the US) and meet local legislative requirements.

John repeatedly talks about utility, adaptability, abusability and ruggedness - from the design to the materials used. Personally I don't think it helped showing the DC100 sport concept alongside the 100". Better to show a more utility pickup or long wheelbase.

It is clear that the replacement (actually 2016) won't be "uncomplicated" like the current Defender. It'll have modern electrics and computers and construction methods. It'll also be available in overtly non-utilitarian lifestyle variants.

Maybe Zagato has the right idea - if we want a "Defender" in 2020 we'll just have to take better care of our current ones. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
+ New Defender 110 First Edition

13th Sep 2011 9:10am

eutek

Member Since: 03 Mar 2009
Location: High Wycombe
Posts: 586

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Indeed, look after the current models - as the replacement that LR has waiting in the wings is a different beast altogether.

I'm surprised that they can't make an uncomplicated vehicle. The Japanese do it, the Russians do it and even the Indians do it. What is all that crap, like sonar and electronic obstacle avoidance? That is what people have eyes for... jeez, very disappointing.

I realise that this is a concept, however it doesn't appear that they have taken anyone's suggestions onboard.

Oh well...

13th Sep 2011 9:23am

mikelike

Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: new zealand
Posts: 108

I just dont get it ! This is not at all true to the originall series 1 land rover , there is very little in the way of styling cues and the real world users of 4wds have been asking land rover to give them a vehicle that is simple ,reliable, larger , roomier and more powerfull for years !!!!! THEY STILL DONT LISTEN !!!! This thing is to small to sell in the volume world 4wd utility markets of africa , arabia, america and australia and is aimed fair and square at the urban market . Cant see myself towing a 25 foot caravan across ozzy with that hard core cosmetic freelander thing but will sell to females in larger numbers i guess . Toyota has been so sucessfull because they have kept it simple and listened to the end user of there well made reliable product . Has Jerry ever been out of his office ????? Great to see land rover still has the British Leyland culture ," the customer gets what we give them". Yeah all them electrics made british stuff unreliable for 40 years , and they keep putting more in , check lr3/disco reliability land rover !!!!!!!!!!!! Heres my challenge , read this land rover and i will buy you a ticket to New Zealand , pay for your accomodation and take you in my defender across four of my farms and show you what a defender should do !!!! Then we fly to Australia and drive a defender from sydney to perth towing a big van , well we will try , might have to hire a cruiser for that !!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP LAND ROVER

13th Sep 2011 10:22am

mikelike

Member Since: 31 Aug 2011
Location: new zealand
Posts: 108

HELLO any one there from LAND ROVER ??????????????? Can you read ?????? Ever heard of market research??????????

13th Sep 2011 10:31am

willy eckerslike

Member Since: 15 Jun 2009
Location: North yorks
Posts: 1789

CONCEPT; [as modifier] (of a car or other vehicle) produced as an experimental model to test the viability of innovative design features:

Have you ever seen a concept model that went into production just as it was, I look forward to the New Defender replacement.

Towing; A D4 is far more capable

Desert crossing; I would take a Land Cruiser.

Comfort; Anything but a Defender in reality.

Reliability: No just easier to fix.

Pickup, DCPU load bed way too small compared to others.

Fuel Comsumption; A joke, a 3 litre V6 weighing more has better figures.

Offroad Ability; In standard form no better than a host of other 4x4's

Safety; Only safe if you hit something smaller, you crash into a car of the same weight and see what happens.

It's time for a change, you will still be able to build buy the Defender for many years.

Having said that I enjoy owning my Defender and use it all the time for what ever comes my way, but there are alot of things that the owner does (add ons) that make the car bearable. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
110 HCPU Tipper

13th Sep 2011 10:46am

Leo

Member Since: 25 Apr 2009
Location: under an acacia
Posts: 22

NoDo$h wrote:

This is why all the knuckle-draggers on certain other LR forums won't get a hearing; because they have never bought a product from Land Rover. If the only comment on offer is negative, you will never have a say. Land Rover have no choice. I have lost count of the number of "just fit airbags" on various forums. Not even close. The EU have killed the Defender and the blunt front. They have killed the engine. They have killed the robust chassis construction. The EU aand our politicians, not Land Rover.

Not true

The G-wagen, Toyota Landcruiser 70-series, various Jeeps etc are sold in the EU with no issue, yet maintain their utilitarian shape, two live axles, powerful engines but have been updates with airbags, better crash safety and whatever else the EU requires.

13th Sep 2011 11:03am

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