Supacat wrote:

I was wondering about the wheel bolt pattern ~ I thought I'd seen or even read some discussion about it having 6 studs?

Supacat wrote:

INEOS Grenadier (@INEOSGrenadier) Tweeted:

The first INEOS Grenadier prototype is on show in all its glory at the Concours of Elegance at Hampton Court Palace, this weekend.

#Concours2020 #INEOSGrenadier #UltimateOffroader #4x4 https://t.co/Nuy1ZTeVcx https://twitter.com/INEOSGrenadier/status/...83520?s=20


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"The Grenadier will be parked up next to the collection of historic off-roaders that make up Ineos' own private fleet, including an original Mercedes G-Wagen, a Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40, a Willys Jeep and the earliest known production example of the original Land Series I."

Nice to see JUE477, the first production Land Rover finally out and about after a sympathetic restoration.

Supacat wrote:

Sounds all very sustainable in a way JLR could only dream about. Although, I think I've read that copy before the French factory deal, so no idea what that is capable of producing with the 1,600 employees it appears will be part of the deal.

Well, if you read it before the French deal, then they'll have to ramp up the annual sales numbers before profitability is achieved. Secondary National Insurance contributions by an employer in the UK are roughly 12%, whereas in France they're almost 50%. i.e. For every 1000€ an employee is paid, it costs a French company 1500€ versus £1200 in the UK. What's more, that's on like-for-like salaries. Given French skilled workers also earn considerably more per hour/day than a UK worker, there will be a noticeable uplift in their salary overheads compared with the UK. Perhaps 50% more?  Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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Grenadier wrote:

Supacat wrote:

Sounds all very sustainable in a way JLR could only dream about. Although, I think I've read that copy before the French factory deal, so no idea what that is capable of producing with the 1,600 employees it appears will be part of the deal.

Well, if you read it before the French deal, then they'll have to ramp up the annual sales numbers before profitability is achieved. Secondary National Insurance contributions by an employer in the UK are roughly 12%, whereas in France they're almost 50%. i.e. For every 1000€ an employee is paid, it costs a French company 1500€ versus £1200 in the UK. What's more, that's on like-for-like salaries. Given French skilled workers also earn considerably more per hour/day than a UK worker, there will be a noticeable uplift in their salary overheads compared with the UK. Perhaps 50% more?

Stacey007 wrote:

Well


I've recently just had the chance of meeting with a neighbours boyfriend who designs where the switches etc go inside cars...

Guess what he's working on...yep The Grenadier

So we chatted, he hasn't seen it but he has all the cad files, and dashboard 'look'

He said normally they have to do several version in the range, this is odd, he said as he has two options RHD and LHD. The range will have the same.

He showed me a very rough render on his phone, being honest it could have been the old defender... Binical in front of driver sort of ipad sized (no dials or any detail just block pictures) then to the middle almost like a double din upgrade in some TDci's there is the 'informatics' screen, in a 16:0 wide format.

Then under this was the switch gear buttons like the tdci, on the other side was a grab handle.... like the defender and g wagon. He did say the dash will be plane with 'lines" almost retro and the interior will be able to hosed out.

All are automatic but he was not sure if it will have flappy paddles behind the steering wheel.


Looks like I will give him a few more weeks then have to have some drinks to find out more