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Ellisboy

Member Since: 13 Oct 2013
Location: Deep South
Posts: 539

1998 Defender 90 300 Tdi CSW Epsom Green

Stephen.

1st Jul 2020 6:26am

lohr500

Member Since: 14 Sep 2014
Location: Skipton
Posts: 1316

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Well it gets my vote.

Just shows where Defender could have gone and proves you can retain classic lines and flexibility in design whilst meeting modern crash test requirements. (Although I never bought into that reasoning as Merc, Jeep, Suzuki have all managed to do it).

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the JLR and Tata board rooms when Grenadier is being discussed.

I hope it doesn't get bogged down in another round of legal battles.

Do you think there is at least one ounce of doubt now creeping into Gerry's head that he got it so wrong?

Good luck Ineos and I really hope it does well for you.
The next big question will be price.

1st Jul 2020 6:40am

Albion

Member Since: 08 Dec 2014
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 141

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

as per the DM article I linked to earlier, ‘’expected price between £30-45,000’’.

1st Jul 2020 6:49am

Muddybigdog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 1017

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

Gerry has had his pencil snapped Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200
Puma 90 XS - Sold
D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold)
Freelander 2 HSE - Sold
Freelander 1 - Sold
Disco 2 - Sold

1st Jul 2020 6:51am

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4208

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

Looks brilliant. Very similar to the styling mock up I saw last year, but they have clearly spent a lot of time refining the detail. It looks a lot less awkward and Santana-sequel now. Not sure about the grille but I like everything else.

Note the Safari windows. They are actually recesses with grab handles, not windows, to aid climbing to the rook.

Small cubby storage box in the rear wing.

The small black plastic squares on the doors and the black rail round the waste are for attaching accessories.

Removable doors like a jeep. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

1st Jul 2020 6:54am

Ads90

Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
Posts: 809

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green

(Completely) round headlights. So simple but so much classier than angry eyes.

1st Jul 2020 6:54am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

lohr500 wrote:

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the JLR and Tata board rooms when Grenadier is being discussed.

I think JLR latest official video gives away how they must be feeling today:

Click image to enlarge

1st Jul 2020 7:04am

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

Supacat wrote:
What puddle? ~ what do you currently drive?

A car and a van. I was waiting for the new Defender (!) and then waiting for the Grenadier. I like urban 4x4s rather than utility vehicles. I have no use for a real 4x4 but I do like the idea of going out in the snow! I almost bought a used Defender a little while back, but the prospect of the new Ineos put me off. I might reconsider give that there will be a flood of Defenders for sale

Now left.

1st Jul 2020 7:05am

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2105

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

I really like the concept of the new vehicle and understand it, and am looking forward to seeing more of the vehicle, and if the costs are as discussed, then I can see utility companies seriously considering it - depending on manufacturing volume.

My take on the design and build is that the new defender (Mk 2 Defender?) has a very different ethos and market - its sports utility and designed for the young fit and active market (as the launch made very plain)with the latests tech as built into the Land/Range rover range, moving away from it core market of utility use. Its less time consuming to build and has a higher return for the company.

The Grenadier is a full on utility vehicle that aims to reach the farming building and utility market vacated by the original defender, with minimal tech and simplistic design. It will have a longer build time in man-hours but will be the sole vehicle for the company to manage, with various versions. (pick up, tilt back options etc)

I would be very interested on how it goes with the various regulations for airbags, pedestrian safety and crash tests as I think that may be an influence on the end result,
But I like it, its very close to the reasons I have a defender and would love to see it succeed

Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold
Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126

1st Jul 2020 7:05am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

What puddle? wrote:
Supacat wrote:
What puddle? ~ what do you currently drive?

A car and a van. I was waiting for the new Defender (!) and then waiting for the Grenadier. I like urban 4x4s rather than utility vehicles. I have no use for a real 4x4 but I do like the idea of going out in the snow! I almost bought a used Defender a little while back, but the prospect of the new Ineos put me off. I might reconsider give that there will be a flood of Defenders for sale

Well if you are in the market for a DCPU, and can wait a little while...

1st Jul 2020 7:10am

adolfy

Member Since: 01 Dec 2016
Location: Mid Wales
Posts: 58

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Bronze Green

A lovely vehicle makes the new Defender look really crop!

Jon Land Rover 1950 series 1
Land Rover LWB 1967 series 2A
Land Rover SWB 1980 series 3
Land Rover 110 Defender 2013

1st Jul 2020 7:14am

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2526

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Supacat. I use a Mac with their in built "Capture" app which can grab screenshots.

Defender 90XS SW
Mini Countryman Cooper S
Morgan Plus 8

1st Jul 2020 7:21am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

wyvern wrote:
My take on the design and build is that the new defender (Mk 2 Defender?) has a very different ethos and market - its sports utility and designed for the young fit and active market (as the launch made very plain)

That’s the marketing spiel ~ the reality is every single new owner I've seen taking delivery on a main dealer's social media has been @50 plus male. How many young people (of the age shown in JLR marketing) are likely to be able to afford a new Defender, especially if they also have the requisite children?

I think the young and active market are more likely to have an old hardtop 110, converted to rough camping with some scrap plywood and sleeping bags that zip together.

wyvern wrote:
I would be very interested on how it goes with the various regulations for airbags, pedestrian safety and crash tests as I think that may be an influence on the end result

Are you suggesting that what has been revealed has not gone through any of the various regulations already and will need to be modified to obtain approval?

1st Jul 2020 7:23am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

discomog wrote:
Supacat. I use a Mac with their in built "Capture" app which can grab screenshots.

Brilliant ~ don't have that available to me, but will try a little later when I'm on a desktop to grab a few of the detail shots. Keen to see some of the things meantion by Bluest that I missed first time around.

Now I can actually look at that bonnet, I've realised what it reminds me of:

Click image to enlarge

1st Jul 2020 7:25am

excossack

Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
Location: North West
Posts: 5843

1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue

Supacat wrote:
Wow, just wow.

I'm all in.

I really hope JLR don't try and muddy the water legally. They've tried once and failed. And by the very words of McGovern, their old Defender was not designed but was just form following function. The beauty of this aesthetic is very clear and very strong.

The irony is that it's taken an architect to put together an engineering led design. I guess it helps if that person is not so conceited they think the design is more about them than the vehicle.

Tried to grab some screenshots but it appears they are using anti~screenshot software ~ why?

Not sure about the bonnet seems a little narrow at the front and my first thought on the rear lights was the cost to have then all integrated ; but I'm reckoning on these guys being a little bit cleverer and hoping there's modular elements inside the case.

Utility bars down the side ~
Split rear doors ~

But most of all a DCPU to follow ~

I really hope we now get a few apologies from all those saying that the Defender shape had to go for legislative, ergonomic, or emissions reasons. It just needed a multi-billionaire to show what that was.

Now who do I need to give my money to?

Windows 10 Snipping tool worked for a screen grab of some images for me. didn't try and get a lot of images 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock

1st Jul 2020 7:28am

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