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| The Zee Member Since: 26 May 2019 Location: Salisbury Posts: 289   
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Can anybody supply accurate locating/datum points for fitting LED NAS/95mm rear lighting plinths?
Are they supposed to line up with the Econoseal connector body holes, or the current screw holes (the ones with a small square black plastic butterfly clip) or with the curves on the body capping? 
How did LR do it originally and is there a better way that is cosmetically better? How do you deal with the protruding rivets? I’m fitting a complete rear set, tail/stop, indicator, fog and reverse, and confused with the indicators and tail/stop on my 110 Utility 2.2 Puma.  Zaid-M
www.DefencePhotos.com 2014 Defender 110 Utility, 2.2 Puma, Indus Silver Not just transport more like a religion |
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15th Jun 2020 4:47pm |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2227 
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Easy fit type have a smaller base of the same footprint as the originals but take the larger NAS type lamp.
Google should return some results. HTH Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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15th Jun 2020 5:51pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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It does depend, to a certain extent, on who's plinths you've got as there are a few variations. However, in general terms, the rear indicators are a straight swap but the stop/tail lights don't quite line up with the body. They overhang the barrel roll curve of the bodyside by a couple of mm. If you can't live with that then the only solution is to open up the hole in the body to move the lights inboard slightly.
Fixing holes are another tricky one. Typically, aftermarket plinths don't have holes in that correspond with the existing light fixing points. The way around this is to push one of the existing lights through each plinth from the rear and use something suitably long and pointy to mark where to drill it. The alternative to this is, as Mo suggested, to use a particular style of stepped plinth available from a company called Bolt on Bits, which is essentially a converter from the original light fixings to the NAS versions. I use these plinths on the front as they neatly fit inside the plastic headlight finisher panels without the need to cut anything. I'm not so keen on them on the rear though, as they're a bit incongruous to my eyes. To get around the protruding rivet issue, line the rear of the plinths with some 2mm thick self-adhesive neoprene. Can be bought as a tape or in sheets. That gives it just enough thickness to a absorb the rivet head. There's a few more details on my build thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/post702216.html#702216 Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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15th Jun 2020 9:36pm |
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| Scoobeenut Member Since: 04 Mar 2015 Location: West London Posts: 310 
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These are the plinths I used fro MUD Stuff https://www.mudstuff.co.uk/products/electr...linth.html
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16th Jun 2020 6:51am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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A couple of months ago I considered either swapping the existing lamps for NAS style of replacing the bulbs with LED's.
After the advise on here that the tail/break lights may overhang depending on the year of manufacture I purchased several makes of plinth, including the MUD , most stated OEM, not one lined up with the screw holes and the hole in the body without over hanging the outer edge of the body. I couldn't get hold of the foam rubber pad that goes behind the plinth that tries to prevent water getting between the plinth and the body. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
Richard |
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16th Jun 2020 8:06am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I just made my own gaskets from foam tape:
 Click image to enlarge Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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16th Jun 2020 8:14am |
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| Scoobeenut Member Since: 04 Mar 2015 Location: West London Posts: 310
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My MUD plinths came with the foam gaskets.
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16th Jun 2020 8:42am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6605 
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To make life really easy, use the SVX plinth LR009773
Click image to enlarge Pre-drilled with loads of holes to make fitting at the top and bottom to the existing holes easy peasy, and at the top the lamp will sit inside the body curve. About £13+VAT for an OE one, they come with foam on the back. Only compatible with LED lamps as they have a smaller cable/connector hole in than the fog/reverse (aka "NAS") type plinth (AMR3850). At the bottom you can use a standard fog/reverse plinth AMR3850. Get ones without the moulded in screws - about £3 for an OE item. You will however have to make your own gasket for these. Wrap a few turns of insulating tape around the body of one of the old 73mm lamps until it is a snug fit through the hole in the centre of the plinth. Then use the original screw holes in the lens as a jig to drill holes through the plinth between the lamp screw bosses (holes want to be at the red dots below). Click image to enlarge Also remove the locating "pip" from the back if it is there. This method is the official MOD way of doing the 95mm lamp upgrade on Wolfs 
Click image to enlarge They will then screw to the original indicator mounting holes. For my 95mm conversion I used SVX plinths at the top with LED stop/tail lamps, and NAS plinths at the bottom with filament indicators. Click image to enlarge The top lamp on a LR009773 plinth sides inside the body  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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16th Jun 2020 9:46am |
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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 881  
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I’ve just done mine.
Used genuine plinths with the gasket, was easy peasy. The stop and tail on the right had a tiny over lap around the natural roll of the body shoulder so I just needle filed the hole a mm or 2. Click image to enlarge |
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16th Jun 2020 12:45pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727 
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Is there a preferred/recommended manufacturer of the larger NAS size lights using LEDs? I was looking for a completed coloured set for the rear, like what Wipac do with their smaller size units. 2005 Td5 90 XS
1989 V8 110 CSW |
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16th Jun 2020 6:44pm |
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| The Zee Member Since: 26 May 2019 Location: Salisbury Posts: 289
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I wanted a complete set, but assembled my own from Perei/LITE wire (new name for Perei) and ordered the whole lot from Dun-Bri Group
Got individual clear/white/SVX style lights with “fly leads” (Tail/Stop x2, Indicator x2, Reverse x2, Fog x1) number plate light (OEM Look) lots of econoseal connectors, male, female in both 2 and 3 pin a couple of the plinths, (which I now know may need to be added to) self adhesive gaskets, and a Labcraft Scenelight all delivered nextday (on a Saturday for no extra)
Dun-Bri were very good, although there is some assembly required, and I do need a LED flasher relay. I can post part numbers for the set if wanted? Click image to enlarge Sorry for the image quality, not my normal standard  Zaid-M
www.DefencePhotos.com 2014 Defender 110 Utility, 2.2 Puma, Indus Silver Not just transport more like a religion |
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16th Jun 2020 7:28pm |
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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 881
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I bought the 95mm perei/lite-wire lights and the econoseal male plugs from dun-bri as above.
Bought the econoseal crimp tool on eBay I can’t remember where I bought the genuine abc and plinths from |
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16th Jun 2020 8:09pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727
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Interesting, I've not come across Dun-Bri before.
Their website seems to be on the blink at the moment and won't allow me to look at the individual parts, but I see them at: https://www.dun-bri.com/catalogue/results.aspx?search=95mm Pity they don't do a box set with them all in, but I guess this way you can pick'n'mix the parts. Thank you for the suggestion. 2005 Td5 90 XS 1989 V8 110 CSW |
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16th Jun 2020 8:52pm |
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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 881
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I think it’s because land rovers aren’t their primary use. They’re on ambulances and the back of lorry trailers.
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16th Jun 2020 8:57pm |
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