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kaney



Member Since: 01 Oct 2018
Location: Bolton
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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
Anyone else got puma bulkhead rust as bad

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2008 Puma bulkhead i'm guessing it's going to be pretty bad but i was wondering if it could be repaired rather than having a new one fitted whats the best way i can check ie how much of the dash do i need to take off to inspect or am i better going to a specalist to look as i'd sooner have a repair done due to funds heres some pics of the rust this was hidden and painted over when i bought it so yes i've bought a dud now there is me as well another dud
the first pic looks ok but looks bodged yet i have to be hopeful, I have chipped out at the side nr the inner window bolts if you can see , also how can i prevent it happening again


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Post #770542 28th Apr 2019 4:14pm
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ickle



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France 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Alpine White
Shocked

That's not good, windscreen frame out, all dash / column out, doors off, decent body shop repair, paint and oodles of the wax of your choice into every nook and cranny.


Best of luck, Keith
Post #770575 28th Apr 2019 7:23pm
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kaney



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
Thanks
Just been back to see if i could get the corners of the dash out but i think the lot has to come out as you can't just take out the corner pieces as in the older models
Managed to push a screw driver through the front quite easy where the rust is showing through so i have packed for now with Dumdum then back in the defender pushed the screwdriver sideways and felt more rust as i can't do much until tomorrow night as i am dropping it off for re greasing, oil and filter changes , but he's not a Defender specialist as i will have to see the local LR specalist on wedensday.
looking on ebay now for something painted as i don't trust the galvanised ones as they may have been bodged up and then dipped as i can see the painted ones for what they are.


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Post #770578 28th Apr 2019 7:44pm
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kaney



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
Post #770581 28th Apr 2019 7:50pm
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donmacn



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Just a wee push in favour of galvanising somehow. I bought a new, primed bulkhead. Tried to waxoyl it myself, using all the proper diy kit of hoses, pumps etc. A real PITA in my opinion - just makes an unholy mess. So, I spoke to my local galvanisers and they were happy to just dip it for me. Got it painted by a friend's paintshop, and 11 years later it still looks absolutely as good as new.

So, even if you find a good bulkhead, that you're happy with, do have a think about getting it galved yourself. I'm not saying it's essential, but if you're spending the time and money on changing the bulkhead anyway, why not make it last? Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #770618 29th Apr 2019 7:03am
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Joe the Plumber



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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White
Whatever you end up with, if you want to protect it with a cavity wax, Waxoyl uses only the very latest 1960s technology.

However, more recently developed products (which are easy to apply, and do actually work...) are also available:

www.bilthamber.com
Post #770629 29th Apr 2019 8:07am
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discomog



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
If you're going to replace the bulkhead then I would go with Donald's suggestion and get it galvanised. Fit it and forget it Very Happy Defender 90XS SW
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Post #770638 29th Apr 2019 9:06am
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kaney



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Thanks guys
I'm meeting with Wayne later today who has been doing defenders for years in Bolton he's going to have a look and give me the option of repair or change
If I get another I will probably pick up the one in the above picture and do as suggested and have it cleaned up and galvanized
I have the widow screen booked in for Thursday and all the engine gearbox and diff oils seals and plugs in for changing along with all the grease nipple's doing tomorrow I may put back the new screen until it's sorted as it's going to get messy
Post #770660 29th Apr 2019 11:25am
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Balvaig



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Scotland 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 Landmark LE Corris Grey
Definitely put back the new screen until your bulkhead is done. Waste of effort and money to do it now and risk damage when it comes out again for bulkhead repairs.The windscreen frame will almost certainly need repainting and may also need replacement depending on the amount of corrosion.
Post #770664 29th Apr 2019 11:47am
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UtilityTruck



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Those pictures make for some scary viewing on what is only an ~10year old truck! I’m a bit shocked it can get that bad in that amount of time 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2
Post #770726 29th Apr 2019 5:49pm
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kaney



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
Update
Spoken Wayne at Track and Field and he recons it can be repaired with an after market part for the top that runs accross to the centre then adding a piece all along under the pretend vents then rust proofing new seals between windscreen and bulkhead and while the roof has to be propped up i have asked for the roof to be taken off and also resealed using genuine JLR ones and anything else wants changing then i will get the windscreen replaced as they are just around the corner from the garage
All this if when the dash is off it is repairable.
I also asked about galvanising if a second hand one is needed but recons the can distort so lots of protection as Joe mentioned Bilthamber as i use the shampoo wax and wheel cleaner they do i'm sure it will be great
So it's in tomorrow for the greasing and oil etc changes Bulkhead end of May I reckon
I will keep the page updated when i have any info and try and get pictures
I think I will be keeping this Defender for a long long time or lose a lot of money
Thanks very much for the advise you have given much appreciated Bow down
Post #770727 29th Apr 2019 5:53pm
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Yatesy



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I’m also shocked at the amount of corrosion there, mine isn’t much older, how can there be such a big difference in similar aged vehicles? I hope you don’t mind me asking but what's the ball park figure for the repair only?
Post #770737 29th Apr 2019 6:17pm
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kaney



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Epsom Green
Comments off utility truck are what a lot of people are saying

I actually think as the wings are bodged up and other bits I've noticed and considering the engine has had a rebuild I think it has been on its side then left in the elements before being repaired ie rust then shoddy paint job as this is how I have found the rust on the bulkhead
So now it's a restoration project rather than just my work vehicle
I may one day soon rename it from the Pooma to something much nicer.
Post #770740 29th Apr 2019 6:25pm
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andydef90



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
I looked at a 12 plate 110 a few weeks ago that was worse than yours it was white as well . was there a paint issue more than the norm just a thought
Post #770839 30th Apr 2019 10:31am
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kaney



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Thanks Andy any thoughts are helpful to all of us it's more information for buyers to look out for
Post #770858 30th Apr 2019 11:50am
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