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Tom The Locksmith

Member Since: 11 Sep 2014
Location: Northampton
Posts: 14

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Java Black

1, 2012 Defender
2, 2.2 Diesel
3, No
4, 16,000

If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6.

5, Now on order
6, 2nd failure at 29,000

5th Feb 2019 12:50pm

Pjembe

Member Since: 21 Jul 2015
Location: Newbiggin by the Sea
Posts: 143

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black

1. 2015
2. 2.2 Diesel
3. No
4. 46k
5. No
6. 55k

5th Feb 2019 1:27pm

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2295

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

1. Vehicle year 2010
2. Engine type 2.4
3. Original output shaft Y
4. Current mileage 41K
5. Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted N but if and when Y it will be
6. Vehicle mileage at the second failure, NA if above works...

SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html

5th Feb 2019 1:47pm

sven

Member Since: 29 Dec 2011
Location: Oslo
Posts: 80

2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SVX Soft Top Santorini Black

1. Vehicle year 2009 SVX
2. Engine type 2.4
3. Original output shaft Y
4. Current mileage 38K
5. No
6. NA 2009 Land Rover Defender 90 SVX Soft top 60th Anniversary Edition

5th Feb 2019 2:30pm

Doc P

Member Since: 03 Apr 2016
Location: Midlands
Posts: 565

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

1, 2013
2, 2.2
3, Y
4, 40000 on original shaft, but lots of transmission sloppiness.

If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6.

5, 6 - N/A

5th Feb 2019 3:17pm

Irishdog

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: Sande
Posts: 12

1. 2008
2. 2.4
3. Y
4. 113000 km

Quite a lot of play, the clutch snatches when a gear change is rushed

Looking forward to the results

5th Feb 2019 5:12pm

strang

Member Since: 16 May 2012
Location: Happy Valley
Posts: 1380

2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

1, 2009
2, engine type 2.4
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? N
4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure - 38500 (technically it did not fail, but was replaced as showing signs of wear)
5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? Y

At my last service the garage reported that there were signs of rust coming from the output shaft - ergo, it was starting to fail. As I am planning a long trip later this year, I decided to bite the bullet and get it replaced, along with the clutch. The indy that I use automatically fit the Ashcroft modified shaft - which looks a whole lot better than the original. I did see the original that was removed, and it was clearly showing signs of wear - but how much longer might it have lasted - who knows! At least I have piece of mind now. Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....

5th Feb 2019 6:56pm

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1400

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Hi all,
That's resurrected the thread! If you've not seen the analysis, it's on page 5 of the thread, the important bits below.
A vehicle that has failed will do the same again, at similar milage, on a standard shaft.
Tom, sorry to see yours has gone at 16k and 13k intervals, but good to see you're now going Ashcroft.

A good Defender, where everything lines up just right, can go on for very high miles, 200k+, with the original.

I'll get round to updating the results one day, but looking at these latest figures they fall in line with what we know so far.
Cheers all,
Jason

DSC-off wrote:
^^^ Yes it's been sobering, going through the figures knowing I'm at 18,000 miles.
A few interesting things that have come out:

Repeated failures
We only have figures for 4 vehicles with repeated failure, but they all follow the same pattern.
If a standard shaft is fitted they seem to fail again at similar miles.

Case 1, 25,000 and again at 57,000
Case 2, 23,000 and again at 56,000
Case 3, 13,000 again at 25,000 and again at 41,000
Case 4, 25,000 again at 60,000 and again at 90,000
update
Case5, 30.000 , 50.000 and 70.000

Other transmission issues
Many reported failures also noted problems with clutch, main gearbox or transfer box.
Problems elsewhere seem to affect how long the shaft will last.

Failure rate by year
While at first glance the 2.2 seems to be worse than the 2.4, it gradually gets worse from 2007 to 2010 year.
The next few years are fairly consistent up to 2012. After that I suspect the vehicles are too new to have reached the miles when the problem occurs.
Early failures are reported for 2013 & 2015, so it doesn't look like there is much change.

Click image to enlarge

Ashcroft shafts
I was disappointed with the level of info coming back on these, the limited info we got proves nothing.

Five Ashcroft shafts reported to be still running at 5.000 , 4.000 , 6.000 , 14,000 and 7.000 miles.
update
1 OK at 25.000

While there's no proof from our survey that they do last longer, surely they can't be worse than the standard part.
In the hope they do last longer I will be fitting one when the time comes.

I hope this survey has helped with understanding the extent of the problem.
Good luck to all.

Jason

Last edited by DSC-off on 6th Feb 2019 6:42pm. Edited 1 time in total

5th Feb 2019 9:23pm

Joe the Plumber

Member Since: 18 Dec 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 907

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White

Re: Output shaft failure, Forum Survey

As you're short of 2014 MY ones, I'll add mine (and it will no doubt go bang this morning now...)

1. 2014
2. 2.2.
3. Y.
4. 29700.

5. N/A, but I intend to fit an Ashcroft one when it goes.
6. N/A.

6th Feb 2019 6:52am

Fernando

Member Since: 25 Oct 2017
Location: CABA
Posts: 92

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Bonatti Grey

I just replaced by prevention, the exit, no game !!! 240,000 Km Puma 2.4 Year 2008
Place Ashcroft

7th Feb 2019 9:36am

Jonnyfive

Member Since: 18 Dec 2016
Location: Devon
Posts: 25

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Zambezi Silver

Clutch replaced, asked mechanic to check the shaft when gear box out, got a call to say pile of red dust and a very worn shaft, no sign of any grease being used!!

2011
2.4
N
55000
No but has been greased this time.

26th Feb 2019 7:39pm

WindyJ

Member Since: 18 Oct 2018
Location: France
Posts: 190

1, 2009
2, 2.4
3, Was, until this weekend - changed as precaution while doing clutch - just aswell did, see next:
4, 48000 on the clock. Shaft splines were very worn and covered in red dust. I’ve dodged a bullet...wasn’t lasting much longer.
5, after lots of research decided on Ashcroft. Seems a logical solution as oil is always going to be better than grease. Can’t find any examples of them failing.

27th Feb 2019 7:35am

boxoftricks

Member Since: 06 Feb 2019
Location: Home Counties
Posts: 747

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver

1.2010
2. 2.4
3. No
4. 110k m

Second hand so not 100% sure if original but no mention of change when purchased from original owner who gave me full history and documented works. Also Just before purchasing it had ust had a new clutch fitted so hoping they greased the shaft....

Do you get any signs of failure or does it just let go?

27th Feb 2019 8:48am

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3278

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

1, Vehicle year of manufacture 2010
2, Engine type 2.4
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? No
4, Ashcroft fitted at 76k as precaution. Part showed wear but not catastrophic.

27th Feb 2019 9:16am

DG123

Member Since: 29 Aug 2015
Location: North West
Posts: 133

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

1, vehicle year of manufacture 2012
2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2 2.2
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N) N
4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. 70,000 not catastrophic, but increasingly noisy with lots of driveline clunking. Replaced at same time as clutch (which was rattling like a good un) and the shaft was in a bad way

If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6.

5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? (Y/N) N Do much less mileage these days, so if I get another 70K miles out of the replacement it will do for me
6, vehicle milage at the second failure, or milage if still running. 75,000 2012 110 XS SW Orkney Grey
2003 D2 Td5 Black [SOLD]

27th Feb 2019 12:09pm

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