Slideywindows wrote:

Can't argue with that Brendan.

However, few people who voted for Brexit, first sat down with a pencil and paper and worked out the possible effects on trade, inflation, unemployment, GDP, the Stock Market, the value of the pound etc.

In short, for most people voting for Brexit was not an intellectual decision.

It came from far deeper than that.


No uprising, revolution, fight for freedom or independence ever came from making such calculations in advance.

Nor did it come from the established political class.

Nor did it come from the business class.


It simply came from ordinary people feeling alienated from its rulers.

A gut feeling of "we've had enough, we are not going to take it any more".

Often when this happens, the economy suffers and things get "worse" for a time.

But no matter how bad things become, historically I can't think of a people who have ever asked its overseas rulers to come back "for the sake of the economy".


Our national broadcaster and other media concentrate solely on economic impacts.

Ignoring the fact that the human spirit does not live by "bread alone".


People who voted for Brexit are largely portrayed as stupid "little Englanders" who "didn't know what they were doing".

Which is just more of the same attitude that they were rebelling against in the first place!


In 20 years time the economic effects of Brexit will be forgotten.

In 20 years time, the political effects of remaining in an institution where a Prime Minister you probably didn't vote for, has just one twenty-eighth of a vote over what happens to you, will have become insufferable.

I hope that never happens.


( It is possible to discuss this subject without abusing anybody! )

leeds wrote:

The UK imports 30% of its food from the EU so this will be subject to tariffs. Tariffs on food can exceed 100% depending on actual food. So unless by the 30th March, there is a FTA or UK stays in the CU expect your food prices in the shops to start rising.

Whilst true it is also based on the European CAP (common agricultural policy) which is designed to be fair/unfair trade to allow near subsistence farmers to compete with highly productive & mechanised Western European farming practices.

Thus the a substantial amount of British farmland isn’t used for agriculture (or sometimes if it is used for agriculture isn’t used for food such as oilseed). Also strictly speaking a lot of food imported from the EU is “exotic” and can’t be grown in the Uk like bananas and such.

Whilst I’m not a farmer I’m in no real place to say how it affects British farmers, some of whom I imagine are on here. But in a global sense it seems silly to me that Farmers get paid to grow nothing when There are British families reliant on food banks yet along millions across the globe.

One observation I have seen is the common fisheries policy, when I was a child the fishing fleet at Leigh on sea was maybe 80 boats and a few trawlers, these days it’s about a dozen and a single trawler. Drinking in some of the pubs there are plenty of former fishermen who simply couldn’t catch due to stock depletion by other boats which aren’t native to our waters.

Seems stupid to me that other people can come here and take our resources because they’ve depleted their own. Surely it should be sustainably extracted and sold to where there is a requirement. If there is demand for it they should pay for it. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html

CR wrote:

Im curious is there even one person who really believes they will be better off post "B" ?

Pickles wrote:

If there has already been a thread on this, I did a search but couldn't find it.
Anyway, apart from a very few brief comments, I can't find much on the forum, so as I'm a long way away, perhaps a few of you guys could give your opinion as to the current situation, & the efforts Theresa May is making to "resolve" the issue.
Like I said, obviously, I'm a long way away. But why are people blaming the PM?...All she can do is take the deal that the U.K want to the E.U. & try to get approval. But because EU don't like it. I can't see that replacing the P.M. or calling for her resignation would make any difference because it wouldn't change the "deal", which would simply be the same "deal" presented by a replacement P.M? In fact, IMHO the P.M. has shown tremendous resilience in trying to "sort" this.
We've actually heard that some who voted for Brexit now wish they hadn't?
Please, no "cynical" stuff, just looking for a few good opinions, so that I might have a better understanding of what is actually going on, and what the issues are?
Thank You, Pickles.